RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

[caffe_macchiato]

tldr

"wont someone think of the children and the new players !!!!!"

Very true. Final Fantasy XIV is an adult game, whether people want to admit it or not. There's a reason why Square Enix finds erotic modding acceptable and encourages adult roleplay venues: it keeps people subbed year-round. Plus, people just like cybersex. Everyone in this thread can agree that the "birds and the bees" is natural and healthy because that's how babies are made. So how is FFXIV any different? This is what FFXIV is now and most people are okay with it. Square Enix does a good job of catering to its core audience which is why shout ads are 100% acceptable and encouraged. Why do you think we play this game in the first place?

If you want a more teen-friendly MMO, then World of Warcraft is your option. It looks like a Disney cartoon and doesn't have much erotic activities outside of Moon Guard. Or play any other MMO or online game which is focused on gameplay instead of adult business.

[CVXIV]

Unless heavily enforced, those venues would just advertise in both.

Regarding enforcement, I know people have pointed toward the situation surrounding the partyfinders, but I think that was only because of all the RMT. I do not recall a venue ever using anything but the Other tag to advertise.

I'm not really opposed to the idea, but I think they would need to be very careful when implementing something like that.

Would it essentially be a second shout channel, but specifically for advertising?
The reason shout is used is because the range is the entire zone, so if it is anything less than this, it would not work.

On the other hand, if we take another user's idea of it notifying every city and hub, it would make the chat ripe for abuse. The venues would compete to make their message seen first, and as soon as someone else advertised, they would post their own, pushing that other person's message out of the chatbox.

Also, would a chat like that not be better for hunts?
Allowing everyone in any major city or hub to know a certain fight is up.
There is no winning something like this, which is why I do not see anything being done.

The most I would see is them making a new tag for partyfinder, using the same symbol as the RP status in the game. That way, venues or other people could use that tag for their events, but why would SE do that when Other already accounts for anything that isn't already listed?

[Bonoki]

Very true. Final Fantasy XIV is an adult game, whether people want to admit it or not. There's a reason why Square Enix finds erotic modding acceptable and encourages adult roleplay venues: it keeps people subbed year-round. Plus, people just like cybersex. Everyone in this thread can agree that the "birds and the bees" is natural and healthy because that's how babies are made. So how is FFXIV any different? This is what FFXIV is now and most people are okay with it. Square Enix does a good job of catering to its core audience which is why shout ads are 100% acceptable and encouraged. Why do you think we play this game in the first place?

If you want a more teen-friendly MMO, then World of Warcraft is your option. It looks like a Disney cartoon and doesn't have much erotic activities outside of Moon Guard. Or play any other MMO or online game which is focused on gameplay instead of adult business.

This way of thinking is incorrect. If that were true, then Minecraft would be an adults game as well by your logic. Games don't become an "adults game" just because adults become the majority of the playerbase and create adult communities. If the actions of the players determined the rating of a game, then everything would be rated Mature. Or should I say, Immature.

[Minali]

Very true. Final Fantasy XIV is an adult game, whether people want to admit it or not. There's a reason why Square Enix finds erotic modding acceptable and encourages adult roleplay venues: it keeps people subbed year-round. Plus, people just like cybersex. Everyone in this thread can agree that the "birds and the bees" is natural and healthy because that's how babies are made. So how is FFXIV any different? This is what FFXIV is now and most people are okay with it. Square Enix does a good job of catering to its core audience which is why shout ads are 100% acceptable and encouraged. Why do you think we play this game in the first place?

If you want a more teen-friendly MMO, then World of Warcraft is your option. It looks like a Disney cartoon and doesn't have much erotic activities outside of Moon Guard. Or play any other MMO or online game which is focused on gameplay instead of adult business.

It's not about what we would like to play or not, it's what crowd SE would like the game to play or not, and considering they are adjusting extra creepy content like that famous transformation scene in early Shb so they don't have to raise the rating up to 18+, minors from age 12 and up are absolutely included. If the game in itself is teen friendly or not is an entirely different conversation, I am sure there are plenty of better options for children than this game. Nevertheless, as long as SE doesn't say "screw it", kicks the rating up to 18 and says "go wild, have fun", they should be interested in at least pretending to care about that part of the player base. And offering a better alternative to public shout chat for venues sounds like something both people wanting to visit venues for mature content and both people who don't want the spam of whatever age would profit from.

[strawberrycake]

Very true. Final Fantasy XIV is an adult game, whether people want to admit it or not. There's a reason why Square Enix finds erotic modding acceptable and encourages adult roleplay venues: it keeps people subbed year-round. Plus, people just like cybersex. Everyone in this thread can agree that the "birds and the bees" is natural and healthy because that's how babies are made. So how is FFXIV any different? This is what FFXIV is now and most people are okay with it. Square Enix does a good job of catering to its core audience which is why shout ads are 100% acceptable and encouraged. Why do you think we play this game in the first place?

If you want a more teen-friendly MMO, then World of Warcraft is your option. It looks like a Disney cartoon and doesn't have much erotic activities outside of Moon Guard. Or play any other MMO or online game which is focused on gameplay instead of adult business.

THis is cap and you know it lmfao. Yoshida doesn't get rid of mods because it requires invasive acts he's not a fan of, and ERP not being an issue is because one cannot rate online interactions and won;t be moderated by the GMs so long as people won't be harmed. The Venue scene is also only big in NA.

Good attempt at mis-information tho!

[Ravenblade1979]

First I'd like to start by saying that I have nothing against those who rp or venues, or anything that goes along with it. I want everyone to be able to enjoy what they like, in a way that doesn't interfere with the reasonable enjoyment of the game for others.

That being said, the endless walls of text in shout chat 24/7 for these venues is getting way out of hand. Many of these shouts are advertising courtesans. I just had my 14 year old daughter come ask me what a courtesan is, because someone told her her character would be good for the job. This person also told her that they could get her a job as a court at a venue. Needless to say this didn't not sit well with me. Nor does it sit well with me seeing these ads constantly when people are supposed to behave in a way that is appropriate for people 13 years old and older.

And so my suggestion and requests are as follows:
Add an RP chat channel for people to advertise in, so I can turn it off and not have ads obstructing my chats in game. Turning off shout chat isn't a viable solution seeing as I use it to play the game and relay hunts along with various other things. Turning it off and on or swapping tabs every time I go in and outta town isn't fair to ask of me either , I shouldn't have to do this just because people spam the chat. Having their own chat channel seems to be a perfect solution, and would save venue goers from having to sit around town idle, until they see a venue ad that suits them.

And please stop advertising courtesans in your shout ads, so other single fathers like me don't have a heart attack when their little girl gets offered a job as a virtual hooker by some stranger on the internet. This is supposed to be a safe place for everyone and now I feel like my daughter is at risk.

Courtesan, in modern usage, is a euphemism for a kept mistress or prostitute, particularly one with wealthy, powerful, or influential clients.

Quite sure advertising this is a violation of the TOS as well , so I'm not sure how this has been allowed to plague shout chat so frequently, and how a blind eye has been turned.

As a venue worker as greeter I can't help but agree. I been hanging in limsa lately and the spam is just abysmal. I wouldn't mind seeing a word cap on ads to be honest.

There's some shouters who got it to a science and have a few sentences. Then you got the ones who think they need 3 paragraphs. It's annoying but don't thing square will touch anything to do with venues with a 10 foot lit up Cattleprod.

As for advertising courts. Annoying I know but unless you all raise a stink like what happened for the "18+" appearing in pf.

As for your kid. That's unfortunate that happened but to be honest. We in the venue community know of some young teens who pretend to be older. Maybe suggest having her mention her age the next time that happens.

Can tell ya now, the venue community would blacklist her super fast.

[CVXIV]

As a venue worker as greeter I can't help but agree. I been hanging in limsa lately and the spam is just abysmal. I wouldn't mind seeing a word cap on ads to be honest.

There's some shouters who got it to a science and have a few sentences. Then you got the ones who think they need 3 paragraphs. It's annoying but don't thing square will touch anything to do with venues with a 10 foot lit up Cattleprod.

As for advertising courts. Annoying I know but unless you all raise a stink like what happened for the "18+" appearing in pf.

As for your kid. That's unfortunate that happened but to be honest. We in the venue community know of some young teens who pretend to be older. Maybe suggest having her mention her age the next time that happens.

Can tell ya now, the venue community would blacklist her super fast.

Or venues can stop soliciting random people to work at their venue and instead have people come to them as it's always been.

It doesn't solve the problem of there being minors that try to get into these adult spaces, but it would save a lot of headache in general from situations like this or people who are not interested.

It's also generally bad advice to have someone, especially those under 18, to share personal information about themselves to random strangers online. What they should do is not engage whatsoever and tell a trusted adult about what happened, which is what seems to be the case here.

[Ravenblade1979]

Or venues can stop soliciting random people to work at their venue and instead have people come to them as it's always been.

It doesn't solve the problem of there being minors that try to get into these adult spaces, but it would save a lot of headache in general from situations like this or people who are not interested.

It's also generally bad advice to have someone, especially those under 18, to share personal information about themselves to random strangers online. What they should do is not engage whatsoever and tell a trusted adult about what happened, which is what seems to be the case here.

Actually agree there too but players generally aren't too smart. Most fcs can be like this too. When I did hiring recently, I just had a pf up and ppl applied on their own.

[strawberrycake]

Actually agree there too but players generally aren't too smart. Most fcs can be like this too. When I did hiring recently, I just had a pf up and ppl applied on their own.

Thats what most people here aren't getting, It's an unspoken rule from ages ago when RP cafes were the big fad that you didn't approach anyone, you let people come to you to apply and go from there, like you said, just leave a PF up.

But since the addition of DJs and people wanting clout and attention, what was a simple means of gathering in one place for comfy RP sessions, has turned into an entire......Life Style, if you would.

And I get it, when Covid hit people wanted more ways to interact and tryied to counteract the inability to go out, be with friends, and party. But as it stands now, there are many such cases of people being too over zaelous to get more escorts and dancers so they can be the next big RP place in the community. A lot of the unspoken rules to keep the peace and not be so intrusive have just gone out the window now.

[CVXIV]

Actually agree there too but players generally aren't too smart. Most fcs can be like this too. When I did hiring recently, I just had a pf up and ppl applied on their own.

That's about what happened when I worked in venues a few years back, people would apply through PF listings or joining a discord. I hadn't heard about people being reached out to until just recently which is very surprising with how wrong it can go.

I know FCs use that tactic, but it's a bit different there.
It's actually how I joined my first FC when I began playing this game and thankfully I had a pleasant experience with it.