New Shatter map... something Feels off.

[Archeron]

I am sorry, but you are building a strawman arguement and putting words in my mouth. You don't know me and how i play - I never said i run a DRK/DRK/AST/DRG premade - and often times i don't (and i don't think i ever had?)! Sometimes I play drk, sometimes i play paladin, sometimes i play samurai, sometimes i play white mage, sometimes i play ...every other class. I don't control what my friends play! Please build another strawman somewhere else and fight it there.

The meta for current shatter is super simple:
Step 1. Gain BATTLE HIGH by killing people
Step 2. Kill ice and enemy players that come to it.

It's literally is that simple and if you have a team that follows you - you kill people faster and get BH faster. I agree that encourages PVE - and that's why it's not fun.

With how new your account is, and how many posts you have I'm starting to think you're a troll poster. So I'll entertain you one final time.

-You are claiming that your forming a premade with your friends. That gives us leverage to assume that one; You're leading an organized group of players, two; You're making call outs with the intention to steamroll the enemy team, and three; you're playing to win. Don't identify with premades if you're not willing to take the heat.

I don't care if you're not playing downright obstructive, and obnoxious premade compos. But don't expect sympathy when people call you out for doing so.

The meta for current shatter is super simple:
Step 1. Gain BATTLE HIGH by killing people
Step 2. Kill ice and enemy players that come to it.

That directly does not support the statistics that people have posted.

Smashing ice IS the only win condition.

-You can only attack one team at a time.
-Attacking that team at their ice slows the destruction of that ice, giving the second team oppurtunity to pinch your team, and your team will have no escape.
-Middle node spawns. Again, you can only attack one team. The team you're not attacking is getting points off the node.
-Small nodes spawn? Again, the team thats split up, not killing players is going to get the majority of the points.
This is why the winning team in the majority of instances does not have a high kill count, or a high death count. It's the team thats not engaging in PvP. In every instance where you prioritize PvP, it costs your team in this mode. Battle High in the new shatter is not enough of a benefit to outweigh the loss of points you're likely to experience, and why premades ultimately do not work as often on this map.

[TofuLove]

With how new your account is, and how many posts you have I'm starting to think you're a troll poster. So I'll entertain you one final time.

-You are claiming that your forming a premade with your friends. That gives us leverage to assume that one; You're leading an organized group of players, two; You're making call outs with the intention to steamroll the enemy team, and three; you're playing to win. Don't identify with premades if you're not willing to take the heat.

Yes my account on this forum is new because I wanted to come here and complain about shatter changes and heard square enix reads this forum. But you can see i have probably played longer than you, or at least have more classes levelled, so please don't be delusional. Does that mean i am not a troll? No, but i sure as hell am a serious player and have been for some time.
Yes, of course the point of ANY game is to win - I would assume my friends play to win. If we happen to "steamroll" the other team...well...that is the game. I don't see any problems playing with friends - and the developers clearly don't as well - that's why the option is there. I don't get salty on official forums about loosing to a premade - because they aren't that difficult to counter, and I wish more people cared for it - it would make games way more fun.

That directly does not support the statistics that people have posted.

All i am saying is that gaining battle high makes you destroy ice faster - and if your team gets BH5 and stops engaging in PVP - you have very high chance of winning. If you think otherwise, please enjoy your games and I frankly don't have anything to advise you on.

If you find some statistic that shows that BH5 isn't worth getting to destroy ice faster - please forward it here, I am sure this will encourage square enix to revamp shatter game mode quicker.

[Archeron]

Yes my account on this forum is new because I wanted to come here and complain about shatter changes and heard square enix reads this forum. But you can see i have probably played longer than you, or at least have more classes levelled, so please don't be delusional.

Who is strawmanning who now? You're assuming that my displayed character on my forums is my main, which it is not. I enjoy my privacy away from forum trolls. I have every job maxxed to 90, and I have dozens of alts with jobs up to lvl 90. Don't be condescending, the hypocrisy is rich with that statement.

I don't get salty on official forums about loosing to a premade - because they aren't that difficult to counter

Just going to outright dismiss that combatting premades isn't difficult? Out of touch, completely disregarding every point we've been making in this thread. Are you here to be serious? Or are you here just to farm reactions out of people?

All i am saying is that gaining battle high makes you destroy ice faster - and if your team gets BH5 and stops engaging in PVP - you have very high chance of winning. If you think otherwise, please enjoy your games and I frankly don't have anything to advise you on.

It's not thinking, its knowing that it does not help. I'll sound like a broken record, but let me remind you;

Every second you spend attacking another player, is a second you're not accruing points from a node. They're practically ALWAYS up in this game mode, with no downtime.

Is battle high helpful? Yes. Does farming Battle High V improve your odds of winning? No. The team that PvP's on this map, again, loses.

What helps win this map?
-Stealing enemies big ice nodes, by getting there first, putting a big dent in the ice's health pool, and pulling out before getting pinched.
-Spreading out to smash small nodes.
-Avoiding getting bogged down in PvP with the other teams, that can cost your team your big node.
-Accrue Battle high when its convient. It's not a priority, and prioritizing the farming of it in the long run is costly.

Do what you want, I don't really care if you disagree with my points. I have firsthand experience, and I've reviewed the statistics of matches that have been submitted by others, and my own matches. The data does not encourage people to fight. This map as a result is not fun, and I do not queue for it beyond getting my daily roulette.

[TofuLove]

The data does not encourage people to fight. This map as a result is not fun, and I do not queue for it beyond getting my daily roulette.

We can agree on that, and that's all that's important. It's a sad state of affairs. Thanks.