7.0 Summoner Dreams?

[Palladiamors]

I just came back after being gone a while and they ruined my favorite job, Summoner. It's completely changed from when I left. WTH? Why?

I've got a couple theories. However after listening to the developers talk about the two minute meta I think the most likely scenario is that they listened to one subject of the community that didn't like the jank and wanted a more reliable kit. Combine that with the people who wanted a 'classic' summoner and the people who wanted a less complicated rotation and they probably figured there were enough voices to justify the change.

I disagree entirely, mind you, they could have just made an entirely new job since that's almost what they did anyway.

[Dyvid]

I've got a couple theories. However after listening to the developers talk about the two minute meta I think the most likely scenario is that they listened to one subject of the community that didn't like the jank and wanted a more reliable kit. Combine that with the people who wanted a 'classic' summoner and the people who wanted a less complicated rotation and they probably figured there were enough voices to justify the change.

I disagree entirely, mind you, they could have just made an entirely new job since that's almost what they did anyway.

I agree that it was most likely the two minute meta BS and not devoting a lot time actually designing the job compared to the new ones that came out. It felt like it was rushed out the doors with bare minimum effort in design.

[RyuuZero]

imo the 2min meta only becomes a problem when the stuff within the 2 minutes is boring.
Oh Hey! I play Samurai and since 6.1 there is nothing to do but the lvl50 Rotation.. Shoha or Mumyo Shoha every 3 Iaijutsu/Ogi .. maybe Kaeshi here and there and oh yeah UNHOLY AMOUNTS OF SHINTEN...

but in regards of Summoner "WTF!" is literally the best way to describe it.
When I lvled New SMN, I felt like half of the Spells were redundant since my summon had the same spells AGAIN and the Job didn't or doesn't feel magical and if the rezz is the most summoner-like spell of the Summoner.. we got a problem.

[ThorneDynasty]

2min meta 100% encourages that bad job design though, just look at how they butchered PLD. Like literally half the mechanics of the job are just dangling from the corpse without a real purpose except to have something to press at 30s/60s intervals. At least they could have made cleaner cuts.

Not to mention homogenizing everything into "save resources until 2 min mark" overall gameplay strategy is kind of an inevitable consequence.

[rawker]

Proper pet system.

[Tatano]

I too want to see pets become more important.

It's sad how much they lobotomised carbuncle in this expansion.

They even removed searing light from carbuncle at the start of the expansion which sucked because being able to cast a buff from carbuncle was useful for fights like p2s where you couldn't stand in the centre of the arena.

Now all it does is just sit there cast a shield on you, it may as well not even exist.

[ZiraZ]

Ultimate glam books for SMN and SCH should also give unique carbuncle/faerie skins/glowy effects, books are currently the most boring glams.

[Axxion]

I've got a couple theories. However after listening to the developers talk about the two minute meta I think the most likely scenario is that they listened to one subject of the community that didn't like the jank and wanted a more reliable kit. Combine that with the people who wanted a 'classic' summoner and the people who wanted a less complicated rotation and they probably figured there were enough voices to justify the change.

I disagree entirely, mind you, they could have just made an entirely new job since that's almost what they did anyway.

https://www.siliconera.com/yoshi-p-e...xiv-endwalker/

"The Job Actions of the Summoner had reached its limits. It was barely possible to add new Job Actions, so we decided to do a massive overhaul with the release of 6.0.. The first concept of this overhaul was to remove all DoTs."

[Supersnow845]

https://www.siliconera.com/yoshi-p-e...xiv-endwalker/

"The Job Actions of the Summoner had reached its limits. It was barely possible to add new Job Actions, so we decided to do a massive overhaul with the release of 6.0.. The first concept of this overhaul was to remove all DoTs."

There is a middle ground between “we did nothing because we couldn’t add more actions” and “we nuked this job from orbit to instead give you a job that has 3 buttons”

[Axxion]

There is a middle ground between “we did nothing because we couldn’t add more actions” and “we nuked this job from orbit to instead give you a job that has 3 buttons”

very true. But they did mention in one of the letters that they where trying two different ones but as you can see they chose the class with pet flavors actions instead