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    ThorneDynasty's Avatar
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Zodiark
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    And yet they have completely superfluous DoTs on jobs like GNB and PLD.

    And honestly the healers - But remembering to reapply a DoT every once in a while is all what passes for riveting gameplay for the entire role, so let's not take that away from them.
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Zodiark
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I don't know how "classic" it really even is, classic summoners were usually cross-classed with WHM or BLM or both, because the summons themselves were expensive screenwipe style attacks you used sparingly. Doing them off the assembly line without even a cast time doesn't really feel like summoner to me.

    If they are trying to make it classic, they are failing terribly because pressing the summon button doesn't feel significant at all. Even Reaper's Communion has more decisive built-up oomph behind it.
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 02-17-2024 at 06:31 AM.

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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    And the problem with the player buff limit is entirely caused by a combo of the fact you now collect buffs in the burst window and the burst window always aligns with mechanics where the boss debuff vomits on you to solve the mechanic

    TOP hello world has what…………6 buffs dumped on you, combine that with like 7 player buffs and it’s no wonder it’s a problem
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    Mayhemmer's Avatar
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    Tanu Ki
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    This job is in such a lose-lose situation no matter what they decide to do with it. I feel like the best outcome at this point is to soft-rework it again with less emphasis on demis so there's room for an actual kit, but yeah right.
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    VentVanitas's Avatar
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    Seiko Hanamura
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    Kujata
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    was there a Youtuber that shared that opinion? it's been years since I've bothered with any kind of XIV content creator and the only notable SMN main I remember was Larryzaur. it's kind of sad to look back on his old videos to see how passionate he was about old SMN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhemmer View Post
    This job is in such a lose-lose situation no matter what they decide to do with it. I feel like the best outcome at this point is to soft-rework it again with less emphasis on demis so there's room for an actual kit, but yeah right.
    SE pretty much reworks the job every expansion anyway, it's just that this one needs more... severe changes. it makes me wonder if the dev team is even aware there's literally nothing substantial they can add to SMN without having to rework something. it's like a jenga tower of awfulness.
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Job is in dire need of yet another rework. I guess listening to some loud youtuber on how it should be more summon-ey and flashy was a terrible idea.
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    Ggwppino Yarappoi
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    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    My wet, forbidden dream:
    • Objectively separate carbuncle and other summons. So in the game have the physical object "carbuncle" and the physical object X (which will take the various forms of titan, garuda, ifrit, bahamut and phoenix as happens now)
    • The carbuncle has hp and emnity (stats that change based on the subrole)
    • the carbuncle has 3 subroles that can be changed during combat (oGCD) and has an ability that changes depending on the role (2 charges, 30s cooldown):

      - dps: a dot to be placed on the ground
      - tank: provoke
      - healer: radiant aegis 2 (shield + regen aoe short range)

      and in common: searing light and radiant aegis I.
      The smn has one ability to summon the carbuncle and one to swap positions with the carbuncle.
      Auto attacks are based on the subrole at that time:

      - dps -> single target, mid-range, more powerful
      - tank -> aoe, mid-range
      - healer-> single target, long-range, less powerful

      If the pet is not in range to attack, it basically does not attack unless instructed in the pet's commands to compulsively follow the target.
    • During phoenix the carbuncle-healer's auto-attack is boosted and a phoenix point is assigned to the carbuncle. This point can be spent, during battle, as a free use of the unique healer ability.
      During bahamut, the auto-attack of the carbuncle-DPS and carbuncle-tank are enhanced and a bahamut point is assigned to the carbuncle.
      This point can be spent, during battle, as a free use of the unique dps/tank ability.
    • ShB's Phoenix and bahamut return.
    • Emerald rite 1.3s cast.
      Mountain Buster is no longer tied to Topaz Rite but you have 4 oGCDs to use. Each of these, if Titan is still active, has a 20% chance to double the damage of Topaz rite, if titan is not active, to increase potency ruin 3 by 100.
      Topaz rite does less damage than ruin 3.
    • Elemental summons have 1.5s cast.
    • Every time you summon an elemental you have a 20% chance to get a ruin IV.
      When you use Energy drain, you get a ruin IV.
      If the carbuncle dot is active, every 20 seconds you get a ruin IV.
      Ruin IV's maximum stack is 4.
    • After using ruin 3, if you use ruin 3 again immediately after, the damage is increased.
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    Mecia's Avatar
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    Character
    O'ssu Mecia
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    Twintania
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    I dream of SB summoner.
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    Player RyanCousland's Avatar
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    Rion Cousland
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 90
    too lazy to expound but theres some good ideas here
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    Last edited by RyanCousland; 03-03-2024 at 10:10 AM.

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