[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

[Stormpeaks]

Can you knock it off with the tribalistic drivel? You keep trying to spin this towards an us vs. them narrative. It's clear that you're only on this thread to bring others into your camp.

"Can you stop defending the person I disagree with ? You have to agree with me"

At least be honest in your post.

[Troxbark]

Can you knock it off with the tribalistic drivel? You keep trying to spin this towards an us vs. them narrative. It's clear that you're only on this thread to bring others into your camp.

I don't have a camp, I'm only pointing out the nonsense.

Now you verbally lash out at me as well, considering your previous comments, should I start to assume the worst about you now?

[Eldtagg]

Could we please quit attacking each other and keep on topic?

[LynxDubh]

I don't have a camp, I'm only pointing out the nonsense.

Now you verbally lash out at me as well, considering your previous comments, should I start to assume the worst about you now?

"No u"

Anyway, to cap off with my take: The voice direction of this patch seemed to be the overall problem as stated before. The cast in whole seemed to have a few off moments and came off a bit wooden overall.

[Troxbark]

"No u"

Anyway, to cap off with my take: The voice direction of this patch seemed to be the overall problem as stated before. The cast in whole seemed to have a few off moments and came off a bit wooden overall.

She would have been fine without the accent.

I work with a ton of people from the Central and South American, her accent is extremely grating to me, especially with how inconsistent it is.

[Karious]

Agreed, my friends from Brazil were very disappointed in the dubbing.

[Turtledeluxe]

Show me the data that everyone loves it.

The burden of proof is not on me because I did not make a claim as such. Sena being good is the default, or it may as well be, because as long as she is in the role.with her voice it is the same difference. You and others seem to have to the intention of having this person ousted. How do you anticipate you will achieve this goal when there is no notable backlash occurring from anyone in the industry or even at a consumer level? No one cares about her tweets either, not because of transphobia claims but because she didn't say a lie or otherwise do anything problematic. She listed roles, not actors, that aren't played by trans people on a day of trans visibility. Asking someone to resign and asking studios to do better is not illegal.

I've also seen the usual suspects arguing this thread's activity is evidence-- seriously? First of all humans are wired for negativity bias and forum threads, by extension, are way more likely to attract attention when they're critical / negative. This is not somethting that only apllies to Sena or this forum. Secondly despite this, I have a single post praising the performance that has almost as many likes as the OP of the thread. So I'm very comfortable saying the thread proves very little, if anything.

And with respect to your friends, thank them for their feedback but Wuk Lamat is not a Brazilian. She's from Tural.

That's a you problem, not mine, the only thing I mentioned is that they were originally the other sex. And they transitioned, which makes them trans + their new gender.

It's really that simple.

There is literally 0 transphobia in that, if you see transphobia in it, that's on you.

And you can explain all you want. Really all you should do is apologise and claim ignorance. Saying what you said is equivalent to introducing a gay man as someone who used to be straight. I can think of worse racially oriented examples but I won't bother. What you said is disrespectful, irrespective of if it being a fact. I'm a huge fan of truth and facts, how you apply them matters. No one was asking how Sena was born.

Overall a lot of the attitude toward trans people ITT in general is very much giving "ugh they're always complaining" during the Civil rights movement.

[Troxbark]

The burden of proof is not on me because I did not make a claim as such. Sena being good is the default, or it may as well be, because as long as she is in the role.with her voice it is the same difference. (snip rambling)

The proof is in the fact that complaints grossly outnumber praise. Although I see you try to dismiss that evidence because you can't refute it.

You're being disingenuous with using the term "ousted", of which hardly anyone here has called for her to be replaced. Why would anyone in the VA industry bother to complain about her performance and are you aware of who the consumers are? The consumers are complaining in this very thread, lol.

No one cares about her tweets either, not because of transphobia claims but because she didn't say a lie or otherwise do anything problematic. She listed roles, not actors, that aren't played by trans people on a day of trans visibility.

This is a lie, she specifically said those roles should go to trans VA while also grossly mislabeling characters as trans in the process, her tweets were rightfully called out because of the double standard that she herself set.

I've also seen the usual suspects arguing this thread's activity is evidence-- seriously? First of all humans are wired for negativity bias and forum threads, by extension, are way more likely to attract attention when they're critical / negative..

If you're going to attempt to dismiss criticism then I can dismiss praise as just people who are being blindly tribal. You can't claim you're here to genuinely discuss the topic and then at the same time, try to dismiss the entire thing with something as childish as "well people complain more".

Secondly despite this, I have a single post praising the performance that has almost as many likes as the OP of the thread. So I'm very comfortable saying the thread proves very little, if anything.

On page 3 while the thread was still fresh. If we take likes at face value like you would prefer, then the majority of people do not like the voice.

And with respect to your friends, thank them for their feedback but Wuk Lamat is not a Brazilian. She's from Tural.

With an accent based in reality. Did you also think ARR voice acting was good because "they're from Eorzea"?

Despite breaking down your aimless ramblings, it's clear you're not here to discuss anything, you're here to dismiss and attack people because you don't have any real praise to bring the table in regards to the voice.

[Turtledeluxe]

The proof is in the fact that complaints grossly outnumber praise.

Source: your backside.

The consumers are complaining in this very thread, lol.

Not enough of them to affect change.

This is a lie, she specifically said those roles should go to trans VA while also grossly mislabeling characters as trans in the process, her tweets were rightfully called out because of the double standard that she herself

That isn't a lie, that's just a detail I did not mention. Calling for trans VA to take on roles is not illegal or problematic. Also there's no double standard. No one is saying all trans roles must be trans actors. Sena was calling for more trans visibility in the space. That's not a problem and doesn't create any standard.

You can't claim you're here to genuinely discuss the topic and then at the same time, try to dismiss the entire thing with something as childish as "well people complain more".

What is with this forum and "so ur just gonna dismiss my opinion", "so that's what you call it when I say something wrong?". Having an opinion does not mean other opinions do not exist. You have an opinion, it just isn't going anywhere. It's not gaining traction by any objective metric. As far as negativity bias, sorry but I'm right and the number of pages ITT vs a positive one means nothing. Also there may be the same 4 people or so keeping the thread going "I will remind them again it was bad", but again there is just no coverage of this criticism anywhere, no developer statements, no one in voice acting commenting, etc. If the performance was that bad or the VA was that evil I think we would be hearing something more loudly.

page 3 while the thread was still fresh.

That doesn't mean anything.

an accent based in reality. Did you also think ARR voice acting was good because "they're from Eorzea"?

ARR VA was universally bad. It was the direction. So is her accent a real accent or not? You guys flip flop like tuna on this subject. Which real accent is it?

If you don't want her ousted then js your ultimate goal to let us know you don't like the VA? If so ignore my ramblings I should have said "See you in DawnTrail lol". But also consider my post isn't addressed to you, not all of its content applies to you, etc. In fact the only part of it that really does is the comment on negativity bias. As a general note, I can always tell when my post has triggered someone. It's all the quotes. Like...why. another random thought is that I didn't even call anyone a transphobe but there's still a huge problem and apparently it's the fact that I'm pointing out Sena being terminated seems unlikely.

[Karious]

Of course there's not going to be any developer response. This is an English forum. The English mods, if they even read these posts are going to go "lol they're being problematic again" and just tell the Japanese side that everything is fine and that everyone LOVES what the English dubbing. As a consumer your opinion literally doesn't matter because people higher up hold the power.