[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

[Turtledeluxe]

Show me the data that everyone loves it.

The burden of proof is not on me because I did not make a claim as such. Sena being good is the default, or it may as well be, because as long as she is in the role.with her voice it is the same difference. You and others seem to have to the intention of having this person ousted. How do you anticipate you will achieve this goal when there is no notable backlash occurring from anyone in the industry or even at a consumer level? No one cares about her tweets either, not because of transphobia claims but because she didn't say a lie or otherwise do anything problematic. She listed roles, not actors, that aren't played by trans people on a day of trans visibility. Asking someone to resign and asking studios to do better is not illegal.

I've also seen the usual suspects arguing this thread's activity is evidence-- seriously? First of all humans are wired for negativity bias and forum threads, by extension, are way more likely to attract attention when they're critical / negative. This is not somethting that only apllies to Sena or this forum. Secondly despite this, I have a single post praising the performance that has almost as many likes as the OP of the thread. So I'm very comfortable saying the thread proves very little, if anything.

And with respect to your friends, thank them for their feedback but Wuk Lamat is not a Brazilian. She's from Tural.

That's a you problem, not mine, the only thing I mentioned is that they were originally the other sex. And they transitioned, which makes them trans + their new gender.

It's really that simple.

There is literally 0 transphobia in that, if you see transphobia in it, that's on you.

And you can explain all you want. Really all you should do is apologise and claim ignorance. Saying what you said is equivalent to introducing a gay man as someone who used to be straight. I can think of worse racially oriented examples but I won't bother. What you said is disrespectful, irrespective of if it being a fact. I'm a huge fan of truth and facts, how you apply them matters. No one was asking how Sena was born.

Overall a lot of the attitude toward trans people ITT in general is very much giving "ugh they're always complaining" during the Civil rights movement.

[Troxbark]

The burden of proof is not on me because I did not make a claim as such. Sena being good is the default, or it may as well be, because as long as she is in the role.with her voice it is the same difference. (snip rambling)

The proof is in the fact that complaints grossly outnumber praise. Although I see you try to dismiss that evidence because you can't refute it.

You're being disingenuous with using the term "ousted", of which hardly anyone here has called for her to be replaced. Why would anyone in the VA industry bother to complain about her performance and are you aware of who the consumers are? The consumers are complaining in this very thread, lol.

No one cares about her tweets either, not because of transphobia claims but because she didn't say a lie or otherwise do anything problematic. She listed roles, not actors, that aren't played by trans people on a day of trans visibility.

This is a lie, she specifically said those roles should go to trans VA while also grossly mislabeling characters as trans in the process, her tweets were rightfully called out because of the double standard that she herself set.

I've also seen the usual suspects arguing this thread's activity is evidence-- seriously? First of all humans are wired for negativity bias and forum threads, by extension, are way more likely to attract attention when they're critical / negative..

If you're going to attempt to dismiss criticism then I can dismiss praise as just people who are being blindly tribal. You can't claim you're here to genuinely discuss the topic and then at the same time, try to dismiss the entire thing with something as childish as "well people complain more".

Secondly despite this, I have a single post praising the performance that has almost as many likes as the OP of the thread. So I'm very comfortable saying the thread proves very little, if anything.

On page 3 while the thread was still fresh. If we take likes at face value like you would prefer, then the majority of people do not like the voice.

And with respect to your friends, thank them for their feedback but Wuk Lamat is not a Brazilian. She's from Tural.

With an accent based in reality. Did you also think ARR voice acting was good because "they're from Eorzea"?

Despite breaking down your aimless ramblings, it's clear you're not here to discuss anything, you're here to dismiss and attack people because you don't have any real praise to bring the table in regards to the voice.

[Turtledeluxe]

The proof is in the fact that complaints grossly outnumber praise.

Source: your backside.

The consumers are complaining in this very thread, lol.

Not enough of them to affect change.

This is a lie, she specifically said those roles should go to trans VA while also grossly mislabeling characters as trans in the process, her tweets were rightfully called out because of the double standard that she herself

That isn't a lie, that's just a detail I did not mention. Calling for trans VA to take on roles is not illegal or problematic. Also there's no double standard. No one is saying all trans roles must be trans actors. Sena was calling for more trans visibility in the space. That's not a problem and doesn't create any standard.

You can't claim you're here to genuinely discuss the topic and then at the same time, try to dismiss the entire thing with something as childish as "well people complain more".

What is with this forum and "so ur just gonna dismiss my opinion", "so that's what you call it when I say something wrong?". Having an opinion does not mean other opinions do not exist. You have an opinion, it just isn't going anywhere. It's not gaining traction by any objective metric. As far as negativity bias, sorry but I'm right and the number of pages ITT vs a positive one means nothing. Also there may be the same 4 people or so keeping the thread going "I will remind them again it was bad", but again there is just no coverage of this criticism anywhere, no developer statements, no one in voice acting commenting, etc. If the performance was that bad or the VA was that evil I think we would be hearing something more loudly.

page 3 while the thread was still fresh.

That doesn't mean anything.

an accent based in reality. Did you also think ARR voice acting was good because "they're from Eorzea"?

ARR VA was universally bad. It was the direction. So is her accent a real accent or not? You guys flip flop like tuna on this subject. Which real accent is it?

If you don't want her ousted then js your ultimate goal to let us know you don't like the VA? If so ignore my ramblings I should have said "See you in DawnTrail lol". But also consider my post isn't addressed to you, not all of its content applies to you, etc. In fact the only part of it that really does is the comment on negativity bias. As a general note, I can always tell when my post has triggered someone. It's all the quotes. Like...why. another random thought is that I didn't even call anyone a transphobe but there's still a huge problem and apparently it's the fact that I'm pointing out Sena being terminated seems unlikely.

[Troxbark]

Source: your backside.

You're literally doing the same thing.

Not enough of them to affect change.

So no one should ever point out quality issues ever unless its guaranteed to change something?

Calling for trans VA to take on roles is not illegal or problematic.

"visible trans woman in anime & video games is still played by a cis woman who has shown no signs of ever stepping down" or "This is an endemic state of the VO industry."

That's not a call to take on roles, that's a call to as you've said, "oust" them.

no coverage of this criticism anywhere, no developer statements, no one in voice acting commenting, etc.

And this is where you go off the rails. You said other opinions do not exist but every time you attempt to dismiss them. You say that devs and VA community isn't complaining but why should they complain to begin with? It's the consumers who are impacted, it's the consumers right to complain. It's like saying a chef spit on your burger but its not a big deal because a restaurant across town isn't complaining about it and no food reviewer commented on it... Then the customers complain and you just say "well negative comments are more common so w/e". It's absolutely asinine you think random devs and other VA should weight in on this to warrant consumers complaining about the voice. I honestly think you're drunk when you made this comment.

is her accent a real accent or not? You guys flip flop like tuna on this subject. Which real accent is it?

Do you think the game director just created an accent for a VA to learn? Have they done that with ANY VA in the past? No. She's poorly mimicking a real world accent. No one here has flip flopped, a bad accent is a bad accent, period. If you want to call it a brand new and fictional accent, then go ahead but guess what? That's still a bad accent.

If you don't want her ousted then js your ultimate goal to let us know you don't like the VA? If so ignore my ramblings I should have said "See you in DawnTrail lol".

Nearly everyones goal is to have a higher quality VA work on DT release, whether that is through an unlikely replacement (because we all know her lines are already recorded this close to the release date) or her self improvement (also unlikely because she clearly isn't accepting criticism). The most likely result would be for higher quality control on the next hire so poor performing VA don't make it past the audition stage.

I can always tell when my post has triggered someone. It's all the quotes. Like...why.

Hate to tell you this but it's because you're incredibly incoherent and can't keep an argument straight. You cycle through a dozen excuses and random arguments when you're replying to a singular point. It says "triggered" more for you than it does me because only agitated people reply like that. I'm giving you the courtesy of replying specifically to all and using quotes to make it neat and quite frankly, readable. You're welcome.

[Turtledeluxe]

Hate to tell you this but it's because you're incredibly incoherent and can't keep an argument straight. You cycle through a dozen excuses and random arguments when you're replying to a singular point. It says "triggered" more for you than it does me because only agitated people reply like that. I'm giving you the courtesy of replying specifically to all and using quotes to make it neat and quite frankly, readable. You're welcome.

You just took my post as 100% addressed to you and that's your issue. I did not say it's not OK to have an opinion that the VA is bad. I said if your goal is to get her ousted by talking about tweets, that doesn't seem to be going well. Typically when people get "canceled" it picks up some kind of traction by third parties and this objectively has not happened even given a couple of weeks. As 7.0 gets closer and closer the likelihood of her being removed continues to decline.

If you want my thoughts on simply disliking the VA and having no particular agenda...You can look through all the posts and clearly see in this thread it's very mixed, with mostly neutral and positive reactions. There's no clear majority either way, and imo that would be necessary to see change in this area. My very first post that was not quoting you makes it clear I never said everyone liked the performance. Yet here you are getting yourself all riled up. I'm talking about people who want her fired, if that isn't you then don't worry so much about it.

I think you are projecting about alcohol because you don't even understand what I am saying. I said a negative thread is going to naturally garner more attention because of negativity bias-- that does not mean every post in it is going to negative, hence just because people are drawn to a negative thead thread for dicussion does not prove that discussion all skews negative. You have to look at the posts.

And if the accent is real, you failed to answer the question. So you're hating on it based on what? The dev has to tell you what the accent is inspired by for you to know it's wrong...ie we just don't know enough yet.

[VirusOnline]

Show me the data that everyone loves it.

The proof is in the fact that complaints grossly outnumber praise.

Mmmh, yes all 45 which isn't even a sample representative of the outraged consumers greatly outnumber praise.

Also, a handy dandy mini guide for both of you as to why this type of argument is just generally nonsense.

[Troxbark]

Mmmh, yes all 45 which isn't even a sample representative of the outraged consumers greatly outnumber praise.

Also, a handy dandy mini guide for both of you as to why this type of argument is just generally nonsense.

"we don't have any proof that everyone loves it but by default we are right" is pure ignorance. I'd post a clown emote, but I think you're at least that self aware... Right?