Feedback: Feeling disappointed by 6.55's narrative, and thus unsure about Dawntrail

[Ritsuka-55]

1.0>Dawntrash.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Also, we didn't end the ancients. The ascians did. They messed up the 13th. That happened long before we joined the fight and prevented them from realizing their goal anyways, so beyond that they were just killing off worlds.

[ZavosEsperian]

If you want to look up a definition, then look up the one for humanoid. They aren't human. They're also not real. Your invoking of the Convention is inappropriate and childish.

After reviewing the term "humanoid", I would have to conclude all races in FFXIV would class as humanoids in your view with the closest races to actual humans being Hyur (on the basis of appearance, but not real humans due to being able to use magic) and Garlean (on the basis of lack of magic and only one minor difference in appearance). As such, would you view rejoining events as a form of genocide committed by the Ascians, as they too have committed acts that would classify as genocide? In addition, inside of the UC8 timeline, the Garlean Empire committed the act of genocide via releasing Black Rose and inadvertently caused the 8th Umbral Calamity? I would assume you would have no issue saying these acts are genocidal acts, but to do so would mean you are being selective in where you are using the definition and are thus biased towards a specific party, which is extremely hypocritical.

Your invoking of the Convention is inappropriate and childish.

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Also, divorcing it from the legal definition isn't something I've ever heard of-- there's not some general version of it. The general terms, and in fact even the French word, are rooted in the legal definition.

The term genocide was brought into the game during Stormblood where Alphinaud uses it when addressing what Varis was willing to do. Because you have just admitted there is no way to divorce the word from the legal definition, which is rooted inside of the convention, you would have to take that up with the writers themselves for introducing it into the game, not me for simply using the language the game provides to me to use. Are the writers childish for using the term genocide? I don't particularly think so, but it would appear you would have to believe this is the case as they were the ones who used it in the context of the game first. This would also be true with the French localization of the game.

And I do not have to follow the French translation. I already explained that localizations are not the law, and historically have been proven to be inaccurate. That doesn't mean you can't follow them in general, it does mean they are occasionally inaccurate. Given no other translation uses the term, this may be one such case.

You are entitled to being allowed to say one version is more right than the other, but it doesn't make your argument correct. In terms of the writing team, all versions are to be treated as equals and, as such, none of them can be discounted because you wish to win an argument. The English version tends to have the most inaccuracies when it comes to how the story is told in Japanese, as I have compared the Japanese version of the game to the English and French versions of the game. I personally do not know anyone who speaks German to ensure I am understanding that version correctly, thus I tend to not use that version when I argue. With that being said, there are translations that you can find of the French, German, and Japanese versions that use an accurate translation and do not have any localization performed on them. I highly recommend looking at them if you want to seriously consider arguing lore points as all versions are equally viable in an argument.

[4clubbedace]

Also, we didn't end the ancients. The ascians did. They messed up the 13th. That happened long before we joined the fight and prevented them from realizing their goal anyways, so beyond that they were just killing off worlds.

yeah i wonder what their plan was for it. was it to get 13/14 and say "good enough" or eventually get to what Golbez the 2nd's plan was and just brute forcing a calamity by expat'ing all of the 13th and killing them on the source

[Turtledeluxe]

The "new life" you all are talking about did not yet exist and the "planet recovering" is irrelevant whether it happened or not.

Also "it probably was hundreds of thousands or years" lol-- ok. That certainly wasn't how fast the Final Days happened once Zodiark's shield went down.

[SieyaM]

I did say in another thread and it seems relevant here that in the beginning, during ARR, it is hinted at a few times that we and others with the echo are tempered by Hydaelyn. We would then be subject to the same biases as the Ascians were with Zodiark. It also appears that Zodiark doesn't consume Aether just by existing, but in order to perform the star altering tasks the ancients wanted to it to then they would have to sacrifice more lives to it.

[Swordsman]

Very good, citizen. Also what you spoke of earlier in this thread reminded me of something I learned in the Weeaboo Police Academy. That "war is the continuation of policy with other means" and we see many examples of this in Eorzea's history.

This sounds a lot like international relations theory, and yes I do see this as being present in FFXIV as well. Nation A wants something from Nation B, and Nation A attempts to achieve that through diplomatic solutions such as negotiation or trade which ultimately ends in failure. So what do they do next? They take it by force via conflict/war or perhaps the threat of force (coercion). Yeah, international relations and geopolitics is interesting stuff.

btw, I have no idea why I spent the last 15 pages defending your point lmao. But I'm done. LOL. People will believe whatever they want to. And this applies to us as well.

Lol, true. I just thought it was a neat little topic to discuss because we can see the obvious parallels in FFXIV's universe.

[Vyrerus]

G'raha Tia's bridge speech

It was indeed very infantilizing. It had a meta-narrative air about it in English that read like, "Well, if you have no interest in this, then go play other games!" In addition to having him quote Hydaelyn's hear, feel, think mantra to boot.

Was it the same in other languages, I wonder? I know I'm bit late on the weigh in for OP, but it's a great OP that lays out my concerns wholly as well.

[Boblawblah]

If this is the face of the main villain, I don't want to be the good guys

[Vyrerus]

Post her in the playboy bunny outfit or don't post her at all. SMH Bloblawah. SMH!!!