Feedback: Feeling disappointed by 6.55's narrative, and thus unsure about Dawntrail

[OliverQ]

Believe it or not, Zodiark prevented the final days. The solution just wasn't agreed upon by everyone. So no, the WoL wasn't even the reason the world ended or was saved to begin with.

Uh, the Ancients literally caused the Final Days, and then they sacrificed half their population to try and fix their mistake by creating Zodiark. Also, the Final Days turned most of Etheirys into a barren wasteland. He didn't actually fix the problem. They had to sacrifice another half of the population to restore life to the planet which is what Venat and her supporters opposed, which is why she caused the Sundering. And I'm not sure you can call what Venat did genocide. The Sundering fragmented the remaining Ancients into mortal, weaker parts that led to the myriad races and peoples. So sure, they weren't the perfect, immortal beings they were before, but it led to more life on Etheirys and the reflections, while limiting the power of the remaining Ancients who thought mass sacrifice was a good strategy.


And I realize we've gone very off topic from 6.55. I agree with the OP that it seems odd that we're going to help Wuk Lamat without knowing anything yet. Would have made more sense for her to explain what she wants, and ask us to come to Tural and see for ourselves, and then decide whether to grant her our help.

Also didn't like the shady Thancred/Urianger scene. They know better!

[Swordsman]

Of course! If going with the opposition means the entire world ends!...

Yeah, then the Ascians' standards of morality would take priority and not the standards of the people that perished when the world ended, which is still a great example of "might makes right."

[OliverQ]

Proving the point, you drank the koolaid they fed you in the games narrative, and now you think we did the right thing. All it would really take to flip you is for the games narrative to change to you being a WoL rejoining the souls of your lost species that was destroyed by an evil witch hydaelyn, and how this terrible ascian is preventing your plans and trying to kill you so you don't achieve your goals.

You re-skin the people of the sundered worlds to look like horrible zombies and monsters that your once beautiful race were so you don't feel any attachment to them and now you'd be on the ascians side. It's completely subjective. Just because what you see is there as beautiful and someone is trying to change it does not make them wrong or you right.

You were trying to save people, the ascians were trying to save people, meteon was trying to save people. Everyone was trying to save everyone around there.

So what's your solution. Not have the WoL ever exist, allow the Ascians to succeed in the rejoining, and after they wipe out all life in existence except the unsundered 3, we get to play Sim Ancients in Amaurot and Elpis?

Also, the Ascians and Meteion were not trying to save people. They just wanted to return to their old world, but they couldn't bring back those sacrificed to Zodiark. Meteion absolutely wasn't trying to save anyone. She explicitly states her goal is to kill everyone, because the universe is too depressing to continue existing.

Obviously FFXIV wouldn't exist if we went with your preferred narrative.

[OdinelStarrei]

Obviously FFXIV wouldn't exist if we went with your preferred narrative.

Is this meant to be a downside or....?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Is this meant to be a downside or....?

If this is your feeling on the matter, why do you play. If the upside to the story being different is the whole game not existing.... Why play.

[OliverQ]

As a direct consequence of the one individual with knowledge of the approaching Final Days refusing to reveal that knowledge in order to mitigate the devastating loss of life and need for sacrifices in the first place. Furthermore, Zodiark was in himself a necessity due to the dire state that Etheirys was left in due to the Final Days rendering the planet unfit for habitation.

He factors into Venat's plans both before and after the Sundering as an absolute necessity though his existence is exploited not for the benefit of the Ancients but the Sundered who exist at their expense.



It is not incorrect, the Ancients ceased to exist as a species, society and culture as a result of the Sundering. Venat herself, when confronted for her test through battle, specifically refers to herself as the 'last of her kind'.

The Sundered are a completely different form of existence rather than direct descendants.

How did the Sundering kill the Ancients? I'm not aware of the story saying it killed them, merely split their essence making them mortal, thus they would die of old age and thus required the unsundered 3 to reincarnate them through memory crystals. Plus most of the Ancients died sacrificing themselves to create Zodiark and Hydaelyn. We don't know how many were left, but it was less than half.

[Denji]

How did the Sundering kill the Ancients? I'm not aware of the story saying it killed them, merely split their essence making them mortal, thus they would die of old age and thus required the unsundered 3 to reincarnate them through memory crystals. Plus most of the Ancients died sacrificing themselves to create Zodiark and Hydaelyn. We don't know how many were left, but it was less than half.

it killed them. the life that began again just looked distorted and wrong. its implied a less dense soul is "less" of a person and seen as flat or muted to the ancients. whether or not this is actually the case and the people are actually 2D or not is unknown although it's looking to be not the case because of the robot people being so surprised that you're able to channel absurd amounts of aether (even when you're not a casting class) to perform insane feats of strength and magic.
seems to me that even when split, an ancient's soul is just utterly insane power-level wise.

it just looks lame as hell to the ancients because they're literal gods (power wise) in comparison.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Yeah, then the Ascians' standards of morality would take priority and not the standards of the people that perished when the world ended, which is still a great example of "might makes right."

I agree it's a good example for the Ascians...However, I disagree on the WoL.

My reasoning being that if it were the Ascians that took power - The Rejoining would ultimately occur and unfortunately it would only be a matter of time before The Final Days returned and another Zodiark/Hydaelyn situation would happen...and round and round would the cycle go. However if the WoL holds power it at least breaks that endless cycle and opens up new possibilities to all life.

Therefore, it's not a case of which set of morals is perceived to be "correct" dictated by the one who holds power - In XIV's case, I argue that it shows the WoL's morals and course of action to be actually correct because the alternative leads to the same never ending results.

[OliverQ]

Is this meant to be a downside or....?

I mean, if you hate the game so much you would prefer it not exist, why play at all? I personally love the Sundering/Hydaelyn/Zodiark story and I doubt I'll feel as enthusiastic about the Dawntrail story.

[OdinelStarrei]

If this is your feeling on the matter, why do you play. If the upside to the story being different is the whole game not existing.... Why play.

I mean, if you hate the game so much you would prefer it not exist, why play at all? I personally love the Sundering/Hydaelyn/Zodiark story and I doubt I'll feel as enthusiastic about the Dawntrail story.

Think about it.

If there is no happiness to be found for everyone in Final Fantasy XIV, there is only one place it can be found.

Destruction of the servers.

Hear me out. All this "disappointment", these misunderstandings between people, these conflicting feelings, and theories, we all know there will be no end to it. If we all can't be happy, no one gets to.

You can't disagree with the story if there is no story. You can't ask for gameplay changes, if there is no gameplay to change. You can't argue on the forums, if there is no forum. So much animosity, and for what? Nothing? Exactly.

If I had a giant crystal tower, I'd certainly go back in time to prevent the umbral calamity that is this game existing. Doesn't that sound interesting? Imagine all the strife that would no longer exist. There cannot be any greater mercy. Yoshida is a tyrant!

I know you guys might not agree with me now, and I understand, but give me a little bit longer in this questline, and I'll give you a dialogue option you can't say no to, regardless of what you actually think.

I'm just having a laugh while I wait for hunt trains guys, come on. I'm just joking, don't take it seriously, please. It's not like I'm saying Meteion was right or anything.

Unless...?