Feedback: Feeling disappointed by 6.55's narrative, and thus unsure about Dawntrail

[Theodric]

At the expense of most of the ancient population.

As a direct consequence of the one individual with knowledge of the approaching Final Days refusing to reveal that knowledge in order to mitigate the devastating loss of life and need for sacrifices in the first place. Furthermore, Zodiark was in himself a necessity due to the dire state that Etheirys was left in due to the Final Days rendering the planet unfit for habitation.

He factors into Venat's plans both before and after the Sundering as an absolute necessity though his existence is exploited not for the benefit of the Ancients but the Sundered who exist at their expense.

Incorrect - Those still living were reborn in The Source and it's Shards. Only those sacrificed to Zodiark "died"

It is not incorrect, the Ancients ceased to exist as a species, society and culture as a result of the Sundering. Venat herself, when confronted for her test through battle, specifically refers to herself as the 'last of her kind'.

The Sundered are a completely different form of existence rather than direct descendants.

[SoloWingMetatron]

And reincarnation is a new life, not the same as before, your old life died.

Is it living when all your loved ones and memories are erased. If I wiped your brain to nothing and you were born again it's not really you, someone else just grew up in your stead. This is also a cloning argument, just because someone has the same source material doesn't mean a clone isn't a separate entity because of their experiences and recollections.

Emet Selch sure thought everyone was dead too. So they didn't think they were living TBH.

Hmmm that's not a fair statement as it would require knowing for a fact what reincarnation and it's experience is...though the fact the game shows at various points some semblance of memory retention by the various NPC's suggests it's not just a whole new life.

100% lol

Don't know what you mean by this?

Great. And now the WoL's and the Scion's moral standards take precedent over those of who they killed. It's an excellent example of "Might makes right."

Of course! If going with the opposition means the entire world ends!...

It is not incorrect, the Ancients ceased to exist as a species, society and culture as a result of the Sundering. Venat herself, when confronted for her test through battle, specifically refers to herself as the 'last of her kind'.

The Sundered are a completely different form of existence rather than direct descendants.

As I touched on a previous quote above - This depends on theological ideologies that can't be proven one way or another...However considering the Ascians entire goal was to achieve The Rejoining means the previous state of life can be restored to it's original state...Therefore, the sum of what makes up said original state still exists within the new world - Therefore, life in the new world is not wholely new.

[Ath192]

Hmmm that's not a fair statement as it would require knowing for a fact what reincarnation and it's experience is...though the fact the game shows at various points some semblance of memory retention by the various NPC's suggests it's not just a whole new life.

If you want to go that deep then Meteon didn't kill anybody and most people were still alive in that ball of goo she was holding on to in Ultima Thule. Thus, she did no damage. And there was nothing final about it. They would just continue... being goo until something else happened I guess.

[SoloWingMetatron]

If you want to go that deep then Meteon didn't kill anybody and most people were still alive in that ball of goo she was holding on to in Ultima Thule. Thus, she did no damage. And there was nothing final about it. They would just continue... being goo until something else happened I guess.

Now that is an interesting thought...What if Meteon and recreated the universe within her own bubble? - I guess we'll never know as it is entire speculation. However I do wonder what life would be like in her universe...Though I suspect it would be one with very little autonomy soley based on her observations made during The Dead Ends dungeon.

I was just agreeing with you on the nonsense of it.

Ahh okay, I get you - Sorry I hope I haven't came off as confrontational to you or other people in this thread. I have autism so I tend to word things in an awkward or cold manner...But want to clarify that conflict is never the intention.

That does not hold up under scrutiny, I'm afraid. As it was never Venat's intention to allow for the Ancients to follow through with the complete plan to restore themselves. The only reason she kept them around was because Zodiark was a necessary barrier against Meteion's assault and without Zodiark maintaining such a barrier Etheirys would have once again succumbed to the Final Days.

Furthermore, the Rejoinings are also merely altering the current inhabitants of Etheirys into a different form of existence but it is very much described as an act of genocide.

It does not suddenly cease to be genocide because the individual conducting such happens to be a pretty mother goddess figure who refers to those who stand to benefit from it as 'brave little sparks'.

That's a fair point sir - Though I would argue that it is not technically genocide if the sundered life has not actualy ceased to exist and some memory retention has been shown...Surely it has merely been reformed rather than destroyed? Furthermore my understanding of the Rejoining was that each life would be restored to it's previous state...Not new Ancients but the very same old ones.

[Theodric]

As I touched on a previous quote above - This depends on theological ideologies that can't be proven one way or another...However considering the Ascians entire goal was to achieve The Rejoining means the previous state of life can be restored to it's original state...Therefore, the sum of what makes up said original state till exists within the new world.

That does not hold up under scrutiny, I'm afraid. As it was never Venat's intention to allow for the Ancients to follow through with the complete plan to restore themselves. The only reason she kept them around was because Zodiark was a necessary barrier against Meteion's assault and without Zodiark maintaining such a barrier Etheirys would have once again succumbed to the Final Days.

Furthermore, the Rejoinings are also merely altering the current inhabitants of Etheirys into a different form of existence but it is very much described as an act of genocide.

It does not suddenly cease to be genocide because the individual conducting such happens to be a pretty mother goddess figure who refers to those who stand to benefit from it as 'brave little sparks'.

[Ath192]

Don't know what you mean by this?

I was just agreeing with you on the nonsense of it.

[OliverQ]

As a direct consequence of the one individual with knowledge of the approaching Final Days refusing to reveal that knowledge in order to mitigate the devastating loss of life and need for sacrifices in the first place. Furthermore, Zodiark was in himself a necessity due to the dire state that Etheirys was left in due to the Final Days rendering the planet unfit for habitation.

He factors into Venat's plans both before and after the Sundering as an absolute necessity though his existence is exploited not for the benefit of the Ancients but the Sundered who exist at their expense.



It is not incorrect, the Ancients ceased to exist as a species, society and culture as a result of the Sundering. Venat herself, when confronted for her test through battle, specifically refers to herself as the 'last of her kind'.

The Sundered are a completely different form of existence rather than direct descendants.

How did the Sundering kill the Ancients? I'm not aware of the story saying it killed them, merely split their essence making them mortal, thus they would die of old age and thus required the unsundered 3 to reincarnate them through memory crystals. Plus most of the Ancients died sacrificing themselves to create Zodiark and Hydaelyn. We don't know how many were left, but it was less than half.

[Denji]

How did the Sundering kill the Ancients? I'm not aware of the story saying it killed them, merely split their essence making them mortal, thus they would die of old age and thus required the unsundered 3 to reincarnate them through memory crystals. Plus most of the Ancients died sacrificing themselves to create Zodiark and Hydaelyn. We don't know how many were left, but it was less than half.

it killed them. the life that began again just looked distorted and wrong. its implied a less dense soul is "less" of a person and seen as flat or muted to the ancients. whether or not this is actually the case and the people are actually 2D or not is unknown although it's looking to be not the case because of the robot people being so surprised that you're able to channel absurd amounts of aether (even when you're not a casting class) to perform insane feats of strength and magic.
seems to me that even when split, an ancient's soul is just utterly insane power-level wise.

it just looks lame as hell to the ancients because they're literal gods (power wise) in comparison.