Feedback: Feeling disappointed by 6.55's narrative, and thus unsure about Dawntrail

[Ath192]

Damn right!....Had we not the world would no longer exist!!....

- So in spite of everything had the WoL not acted everything would have ended no matter what and there would be no existence for 7.0 to even take place,

Believe it or not, Zodiark prevented the final days. The solution just wasn't agreed upon by everyone. So no, the WoL wasn't even the reason the world ended or was saved to begin with.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Yea the Scions and the WoL just agreeing to go with Wuk is extremely stupid... "Yea sure, we'll come decide this other continent's ruler."

As for Urianger and Thancred, I would imagine one of the other candidates hired them somehow. Maybe we'll get to have a friendly fight them at some point in the MSQ.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Believe it or not, Zodiark prevented the final days. The solution just wasn't agreed upon by everyone. So no, the WoL wasn't even the reason the world ended or was saved to begin with.

At the expense of most of the ancient population.

[Ath192]

At the expense of most of the ancient population.

Does it matter when the alternative Hydaelyn chose was to genocide the entire world effective immediately? Or do you see any more than a dozen ascians survive this apocalypse Hydaelyn actually succeeded in creating.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Believe it or not, Zodiark prevented the final days. The solution just wasn't agreed upon by everyone. So no, the WoL wasn't even the reason the world ended or was saved to begin with.

Incorrect - Hydaelyn chose to sunder her people because not only did an astronomical amount of people had to kill themselves to bring about Zodiark but also more people would have to be sacrificed to him in order to sustain him! Sooner or later the Ascian world would end no matter what!....Zodiark was never sustainable and the game made that obvious!

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Does it matter when the alternative Hydaelyn chose was to genocide the entire world eefective immediately? Or do you see any more than a dozen ascians survive this apocalypse Hydaelyn actually succeeded in creating.

I dunno, seems to me like the world is thriving now. How many would have been left otherwise.





Note in the very cutscenes we were shown, after zodiark had already been summoned, they were still dying. His summoning put a pause on new horrors appearing. It didn't remove those already there.

[Ath192]

Incorrect - Hydaelyn chose to sunder her people because not only did an astronomical amount of people had to kill themselves to bring about Zodiark but also more people would have to be sacrificed to him in order to sustain him!....Zodiark was never sustainable and the game made that obvious!

Yes exactly, the solution was, hey we can't keep killing people if we kill everyone at once... nice.. All this to buy time for the sundered races to figure out Meteon???? And it was luck that they did, its not like there wasnt a moonship planned in case it failed?? like couldn't they just stay with zodiark to buy time until they figured out what the hell was causing the final days instead of sundering the world and letting other races figure it out?

It took us way longer to figure out dynamis than they would;ve taken, and BTW we only learned about dynamis because we traveled back in time to learn it from who? THEM. Just because they didn't have a solution at the beginning doesn't mean that they wouldn't have found one. Just like we didn't have a solution and found one.

Truly, its nonsensical.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Yes exactly, the solution was, hey we can't keep killing people if we kill everyone at once... nice..

Incorrect - Those still living were reborn in The Source and it's Shards. Only those sacrificed to Zodiark "died"

[Xirean]

Funny how this thread started as critiquing the political set up in 6.55 but quickly turned into the "Lackluster storytelling in EW" thread.

[LilimoLimomo]

1. this is a fair point, and I more or less agree. seems rather quick to jump in, but its an mmo. would you have preferred a couple releases where we agonize over it before saying yes?

I don't think there needs to be any agonizing at all; it would have been pretty straightforward for the journey to instead be framed as:

"Hey, I'm a Wuk Lamat, a contender for the throne. I'm inviting you to come visit my nation with me. To be transparent, I'm hoping you'll help support me in becoming the leader of my nation, but you don't have to decide that now. For now, just come to my country, meet its people, learn of its cultures, and enjoy its wonders. Do some adventuring! Once you get to know both my nation and myself better, I'm confident that you'll support my claim. If I'm wrong and you don't, you're under no obligation to help. Either way you get the chance to adventure in a new land, so you've got nothing to lose, right?"

Boom, we get a summer vacation exploring a new continent, and that gives the writers plenty of runway to organically introduce us to the all the context we'll need to "make the decision" ourselves. It will still be railroading, as there will never truly be an option to go against the path the writers carve for us, but by giving us the appropriate context before our character(s) make a commitment, the decisions they make can be seen as reasonable rather than reckless.

For a great example of how to do this, we can look at Shadowbringers. The Warrior of Light isn't initially forced to trust or truly align with the Crystal Exarch, and some of the Scions don't trust him either. But step-by-step you experience more of the world, get more context, and eventually you can understand why your character and your friends align themselves with his cause.