/r/ffxivdiscussion: Has FFXIV had any major retcons or plot holes in the story?

[Theodric]

Just saying "No Zavos" and collecting posts from old threads is not an argument.

I am posting links to older posts as all of this information has been sent to you already by both myself and various other posters and you have proven to be mistaken on many fronts when it comes to aspects of the story and narrative with a strange habit of pretending otherwise when provided with actual sources.

There's no bodily harm. Their forms still very much exist-- as humanity (and consciousness very much exists). She altered THE group (not A group) because whether you're talking about THE star or THE mankind, she wasn't selective.

That simply isn't true. The Sundered exist at the expense of the Ancients as a consequence of the Sundering. A horrific act which combined the destruction of the Ancients, Dynamis focused eugenics and racial replacement. None of it is pleasant, certainly, though I see no reason to beat around the bush and pretend otherwise. Furthermore, Venat refers to herself as the 'last of her kind' when confronted within the Aetheriel Sea so even she does not view the Sundered as an extension of her own species.

The Ancients no longer exist as a culture, society or species. Every aspect of their being was destroyed in the Sundering. We also know from the Scions own words that they, themselves, would not allow their loved ones to be wiped out in a similar manner. In fact, there are a large number of examples where they say as much to anyone attempting to 'improve' or forcibly wipe out/evolve the Sundered. Did you not play through the Sage quests where the villain in the story is opposed for attempting to do that very same thing? It does not suddenly become acceptable just because the 'right' targets are being wiped out.

Also acknowledging its roots with the Holocaust just makes one sound even more insane and insensitive. Please go and tell some actual victims that you regard stories about demigods being reformed into humanity as comparable to their experience.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at there because I have neither brought up the Holocaust specifically and neither is it the exclusive act of genocide to take place throughout human history. Once again, the term genocide is being used because it is a term that the characters in the setting also use. You are free to contact Square Enix to inform them that it is incentive to refer to the Rejoinings as an act of genocide if you care so much, though something tells me that you do not and are simply attempting to poison the well.

It also strikes me as a rather hypocritical and feigned concern as in another recent thread you brought up current day and previous real world horrific events involving genocide in order to make a point which again, is not something I myself did:

"No one cares" is not an argument. You're dismissed. Sena is not in any way a hypocrite because a. YES minority groups absolutely matter. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. "Women" is not a small sub group that lacks representation. Trans women are. B. Trans women are women. In the same way Gaia apples are a type of apple. Learn it fast, quick, and don't quote me again. You clearly lack the capability to understand basic concepts. If a recipe calls for Gaia apples, you can't use "apple". If a recipe calls for "apple," you can use Gaia apples.

"People are people" lmao. Yes let's go back through history and just tell everyone that. Read a book or something, wow.

Why don't we just head over to Israel right now, or travel back in time to WWII. The Civil War. Hiroshima. "Don't worry guys, people are people!".

I also forgot to mention Sena did not call for anyone to be ousted. In fact she dissented from her peers by asking for the VA to voluntarily step down in a sign of solidarity and they declined. This is why your post is so incredibly dangerous-- not only do you not acknowledge the existence of minority groups but you also didn't actually read the tweets and made up your own version colored by bigotry...which btw, your targeting of a trans person is one of the exact reasons they're a protected minority lmaoo.

For the record, I do not believe that it is even necessarily a bad thing to draw comparisons to real world history so long as some tact is being deployed. It is not exactly a secret that FFXIV heavily draws upon certain real world countries, cultures and historical events in order to tell a story inspired by real world history. In the context of what is being discussed, however, I'm not sure how much more I can stress that the term genocide is used within the game itself and that the way in which the Ancients were wiped out and replaced is very similar to the consequences of certain real world events. The only difference is that magic is involved but again, so is that the case with the Rejoinings and that certainly doesn't lead to the term suddenly not being applicable.