So no more pet jobs, eh?

[Flana]

The fact that SE can't figure out forced petswaps, aka demis, are what cause the sheer amount of jank makes even less interested in Beastmaster than I was already (which is impressive, given how much I detest 'limited jobs'). Expect it to be utter jank because they will add it in and then shrug when they cant fix the problem they created.

[Eraden]

Mao sad. Mao played Hunter type classes in WoW and GW2 and in those games pets workings pretty good. Mao nots understand why FFXIV can't be good at it too.

[Dyvid]

I may be mistaken - But I also feel like the way in which the transfer of data between server and client is registered is also a factor. It's something I was always suspicious of, but it became quite obvious to me during the Fall Guys event - Specifically how obstacle/trap hits were registered - Sometimes you would blatantly pass by successfully, yet a moment later it registers as a hit - Other times you could pass right through an obstacle/trap (totally hitting it) and it not register as a hit, allowing you to pass by unscathed - At a glance you may think latency/ping issues...but it was literally only when interacting with obstacles/traps and whether or not a hit was registered. Nothing else was affected.

In regards to pets - Perhaps when issuing commands a similar issue would take place alongside your aforementioned observations.

Maybe, I can only judge from my experience and test. The only time my Demi "ghosted" was when I issued a command and was moving to dodge an attack and the pet followed me. Or when Ifrit was at a distance when I command him and he dropped the assault while slowly gliding toward the target. Do Demi still ghost or did auto attack fix that issue?

[Flana]

Maybe, I can only judge from my experience and test. The only time my Demi "ghosted" was when I issued a command and was moving to dodge an attack and the pet followed me. Or when Ifrit was at a distance when I command him and he dropped the assault while slowly gliding toward the target. Do Demi still ghost or did auto attack fix that issue?

They can still ghost. You're less likely to see it because the rework shelled out everything that could impact it but ghosting is endemic to the design of demi-summoning. You will never solve it 100% with SE's design.

[Palladiamors]

Mao sad. Mao played Hunter type classes in WoW and GW2 and in those games pets workings pretty good. Mao nots understand why FFXIV can't be good at it too.

Games from twenty years ago did it with relatively few hiccups, Final Fantasy XI included. XIVs own system was completely workable if you did a little research. Pets just aren't a priority, nor are pet classes and it has both made me sad and ultimately helped lead to me quitting the game. Pet classes are my bread and butter and XIV no longer has one. C'est la vie.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Maybe, I can only judge from my experience and test. The only time my Demi "ghosted" was when I issued a command and was moving to dodge an attack and the pet followed me. Or when Ifrit was at a distance when I command him and he dropped the assault while slowly gliding toward the target. Do Demi still ghost or did auto attack fix that issue?

Yeah, that's fair. I just feel that if it was solely a programming issue they must have been able to sort it out easily by now (Unless pet AI, truly was that low of a priority for the devs)...I guess we'll see when BST rocks up!

In regards to Demi ghosting - In my experience a Demi ghost is rare. However, It may only just appear that way to me, as now my attention is constantly darting to different things (Gemstone pops/timers, Demi pop/timers, battle mechanics and so forth)...Playing SMN now just feels like a mad dash to get to the next Demi pop and if you focus on one bit too long your rotation/dps will be offset...You barely have time to recognize a Summon has entered the field before it's onto the next step in popping your next Demi...

I really think SMN needs to be slowed down a bit and allow us to take in the Summons and abilities we are using, as well as take away that mad dash feeling of the job.

[Supersnow845]

Demi ghosting on SMN is functionally impossible these days because there is nothing to ghost in their rotation

The only things you can ghost on modern SMN is
-ark morn
-revelation
-death flare
-rekindle
-the final auto of the two if you are running specific spell speed tiers
-radiant aegis

Because of the organisation of SMN’s rotation you never end up ghosting any of these because of how wide the Demi windows are, and the fact you generally press each of these somewhere near the centre of the Demi window

I know this is a SMN thread but it’s still seraph that’s the bigger ghosting problem, however if they tried to make the demo rotation more complex on what the demi actually does that could very well lead to more ghosting

[Flana]

All gem summons can ghost because their garbage AI refuses to re-lock if the target dies and you don't have anything instant to force a re-lock. Happened twice farming HydaEX during crystal phase, expect to see it happen more if they ever do add phases again. They can also ghost because of the godawful delay on the pet spawning in after the button is pushed, like in DSR given how frequently the boss jumps. Truly awful design but here we are, tripling down on demi-summoning despite its well documented flaws starting with Stormblood.

So the only thing you can ghost is just the majority of buttons new Summoner has, totally fine. Surely nothing is wrong with this one mechanic and there is now plenty of space for SE to add things in DT! What could possibly go wrong!

[SoloWingMetatron]

In my experience a Demi or Gemstone ghosting is very situational - Boss phase shifts as ability is executed or the target dies - At which point one of two things will happen - If the ability animation played then it counts as it being executed and is therefore on cooldown. If the animation did not play and another target is available then the Summon will still execute the ability once you attack the new target within an allotted time period..

I personally have not seen ghosting outside of my aforementioned examples with the 6.0 SMN - As far as I know the type of ghosting where a Summon will straight up ignore your commands is no longer a thing.

[VictorSpoils]

In my experience a Demi or Gemstone ghosting is very situational - Boss phase shifts as ability is executed or the target dies - At which point one of two things will happen - If the ability animation played then it counts as it being executed and is therefore on cooldown. If the animation did not play and another target is available then the Summon will still execute the ability once you attack the new target within an allotted time period..

I personally have not seen ghosting outside of my aforementioned examples with the 6.0 SMN - As far as I know the type of ghosting where a Summon will straight up ignore your commands is no longer a thing.

This typically happened during long pulls in dungeons...not sure if it's improved by now.