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    Quote Originally Posted by Embran View Post
    You keep pulling weird obscure shit from your past every time someone points out the flaws in your logic like "my neighbor was X race, I can comment about racial issues that don't apply to me all I want" lol

    I'm glad you dated a Korean woman and I have no doubt that makes you the arbiter of Korean culture and representation in your mind, Mr. Kentucky.
    Saying a latina woman represents Kentucky well is like saying a White Kentuckian who moved to Japan and speaks Japanese represents Japan well. It makes no sense and its quite insulting. So no, there is no flaw in my logic, I regret dating the Koean woman, though at no fault of hers. There are flaws in your logic, however, and much else besides.

    Quote Originally Posted by Embran View Post
    Crticisim is good. Without it, we would not have gotten 2.0. Without it, we'd still be stuck with the ARR voice cast.

    The problem with these threads is that it's not genuine criticism in good faith. It's mean-spirited vitriol hiding behind the guise of criticism, with layers of "justifications" to mask it even further.
    I liked the 2.0 cast. Cid in particular was one of my favorite VAs: he did the WoL in Dissidia. This is genuine criticism, and whatever you're defining as "good faith" is wrong. I have every right to criticize both the subject and the direction of a game that I love(d) and want to see it return to a state of improvement, not decline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    Saying a latina woman represents Kentucky well is like saying a White Kentuckian who moved to Japan and speaks Japanese represents Japan well. It makes no sense and its quite insulting. So no, there is no flaw in my logic, I regret dating the Koean woman, though at no fault of hers. There are flaws in your logic, however, and much else besides.
    Dude, which is it? Is she Latina? Because when people say she's Latina, you say she's from Kentucky.

    Or is she Kentuckian? Because when people say she's from Kentucky, she's suddenly Latina.

    You're not even trying, man. I'm done humoring you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Embran View Post
    Dude, which is it? Is she Latina? Because when people say she's Latina, you say she's from Kentucky.

    Or is she Kentuckian? Because when people say she's from Kentucky, she's suddenly Latina.

    You're not even trying, man. I'm done humoring you.
    Also just like the gross implication she can't be both, and like if we're going to put lines around who can and can't be considered a "Real Kentuckian" I think the Eastern Band Cherokee, Shawnee, Osage, and other tribes that called parts of the state home first should get first dibs and to draw the lines
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikaiko View Post
    Also just like the gross implication she can't be both, and like if we're going to put lines around who can and can't be considered a "Real Kentuckian" I think the Eastern Band Cherokee, Shawnee, Osage, and other tribes that called parts of the state home first should get first dibs and to draw the lines
    Right. She's too Latina to be from Kentucky, but she's also not Latina enough to be Puerto Rican. There's a gross obsession with "purity" here.

    Just absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Embran View Post
    Dude, which is it? Is she Latina? Because when people say she's Latina, you say she's from Kentucky.

    Or is she Kentuckian? Because when people say she's from Kentucky, she's suddenly Latina.

    You're not even trying, man. I'm done humoring you.
    Let me impose the same question to you: if I live in Japan, does that make me Japanese? If I have White children on another White woman I brought to Japan, are those children Japanese? Do they represent Japan? What if we did it so much that Japanese are now considered minority in Japan and instead the highest population density is White? Do you not see how insulting that is? Stop being racist.

    And since you brought up "original tribes," one word to stop you: Tartaria.

    This is a multi-million dollar game that's been out for over a decade. They no longer have the luxury of having such sub-par amateur voice actors play main roles, especially when they're willing to recycle current actors for other roles as often as they do. She doesn't sound experienced at all, she sounds like the kid who played Vaan in FF12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    Let me impose the same question to you: if I live in Japan, does that make me Japanese? If I have White children on another White woman I brought to Japan, are those children Japanese? Do they represent Japan? What if we did it so much that Japanese are now considered minority in Japan and instead the highest population density is White? Do you not see how insulting that is? Stop being racist.
    In some countries, the fact that your children were born in a country, educated like natives, share the same ideals as these natives and share their language will make them strictly equivalent to the natives in question.

    For others, ethnicity is too central and cannot be separated from nationality, with a few exceptions.

    So there is no universal answer to your question. For your example: in Japan, the fact that you are not of Japanese blood will always be a problem, and being white you will surely never be considered anything other than a foreigner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    And since you brought up "original tribes," one word to stop you: Tartaria.
    Cool cool cool, we're going deep cut niche conspiracy theories, thanks for making it crystal clear that it's time to stop engaging with you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikaiko View Post
    Cool cool cool, we're going deep cut niche conspiracy theories, thanks for making it crystal clear that it's time to stop engaging with you

    Dang, I thought people who believed in that were a myth. I never expected to see one on the forums lmao.
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