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  1. #11
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    Ah, how sad that my modest proposal seems to have fallen on mostly deaf ears. I suppose it would be more enjoyable if healer mains like myself could feel relevant again...

    Alas, we've been asking for that for so long, only to have each patch with job changes see tanks get more healing, more dps, etc. Since a return of healer relevence doesn't seem to be forthcoming, it would be wonderful if us humble non-tanks could at least be of some help to our fair blue lords and ladies by not being dead and bored for half the fight.

    Tanks nearly always refuse to reset the fight, insisting on shouldering the whole burden themselves. Perhaps they could be persuaded to be less selfless if only they had a way.

    Or perhaps Square could change the rules for leaving an instance before a duty ends? If only it weren't for the lockout, I'd surely remove the offensive sight of my corpse from the ground our lovely tanks must walk upon (until they are given flight in DT).

    Edit: Yes folks, this is sarcasm. No, tanks aren't going to fly...
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    Last edited by Sunless_Sea; 01-19-2024 at 01:09 PM.

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    King Canadane
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    Okay now you've lose me.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunless_Sea View Post
    *snip*
    1. Nobody will know if you are being sarcastic in writing on a forum where nobody knows you and even worse suggestions have been made while being completely serious
    2. Your suggestion gets it all backwards. Giving Tanks even more tools is just fueling the fire. Which seems to be a normal posts for some MMO players. I always resented prejudices against gamers and thought they were exaggerated but then i read more posts here
    3. Your sarcasm might be better suited in a joke thread otherwise everyone should probably question all your suggestions
    4. You can just stop playing the game or give constructive critisism. Sarcastic criticism because of fatalism helps no one. Yet another thread for the garbage pile.
    5. At this point giving all tanks a rez might not be too off base. I mean Square loves tanks! Shadowbringers Trailer job: Dark Knight. Endwalker: Paladin. Tanks soloing, Warrior healing itself... the list goes on. It seems like it's all "balanced" to Square because a lot of people play WhiteMage... even thought they do it because of the job fantasy. They don't seem to track healers quitting or they don't care or they come to bad conclusions. If only the tanks keep playing then you got to cater to them, right?
    6. Your modest proposal (TM) doesn't even come through. Not just because it seems like a good faith post on these forums (you can thank the abyssmal suggestions i have read with my own two eyes) but also because it's not even a jab against healers. 2/3 magic DPS(!!!) have rezzes. One of them is THE best rezzer.
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    Last edited by BRVV; 01-18-2024 at 07:48 PM.
    Will put you on ignore if you can't form a logical argument but argue nonetheless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    So tanks can solo a fight if something goes wrong and your response to this isn’t to question if the tanks are too strong but to ask them to basically do the one thing that healers are still almost exclusively used for
    That's how you spot bait.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    So tanks can solo a fight if something goes wrong and your response to this isn’t to question if the tanks are too strong but to ask them to basically do the one thing that healers are still almost exclusively used for

    Any thing else tanks, you’ve already taken our healing, you still get a rotation while we get nothing, now you want a rezz, god imagine if square bent to healers like how hard they bend to tanks
    They're mostly just bending for a specific War main streamer and then by proxy all the other tanks get buffed unnecessarily. Everyone has been turning into the same mindless medic tank that Warrior is, and i have no doubt that Drk will get stupid amounts of healing we never asked for in DT so that Warrior won't stick out like a sore thumb with it's comically high sustain.
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    Then what's the point with roles ( tank/heal/dps) ?
    - if all roles could do the same?

    (I prefer game design where all 3 are dependent on one another)
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    SCH/AST/DNC/VPR/SMN

  7. #17
    Player Astrahime's Avatar
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    Eirika Zenbi-ryoshi
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    It's called a Pheonix Down.
    Make it useable in combat, give it a 10y range instead of a 3y one so that if you're trying to heal someone in the one set of duties where it's currently useful (Deep Dungeons) it actually works and you don't end up aggroing the boss after reviving via pomander, and make it stackable.

    There. And give it a 10m CD to balance the fact that it's now stackable. If the healer dies in the middle of a battle after being raised by you, they weren't worth having alive anyway.
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  8. #18
    Player Astrahime's Avatar
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    Eirika Zenbi-ryoshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    They're mostly just bending for a specific War main streamer and then by proxy all the other tanks get buffed unnecessarily. Everyone has been turning into the same mindless medic tank that Warrior is, and i have no doubt that Drk will get stupid amounts of healing we never asked for in DT so that Warrior won't stick out like a sore thumb with it's comically high sustain.
    it'll be on TBN
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  9. #19
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    Just delete Healers i guess
    Give healers a self-resurrection ability that has a 5 minute cooldown. Or add mini-limit break that will allow anyone in the party to resurrect a healer.

    I've pointed out before that half the problem with healer design in this game is based around SE's idea that if the healer dies, it's an automatic wipe for the group. Create a way for healers to be resurrected even when there isn't a RDM/SMN in the party, SE can dial way back on the excessive healing/mitigation tools given to the other roles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elkanah View Post
    I'm a warrior. I can heal myself back to full within a couple seconds. I dont need a raise ability. Im not stuck in a room with the boss. The boss is stuck in a room with ME.
    And I've done it myself as PLD when playing with friends who are slow to learn mechanics but are tired of wiping and want me to get the boss down for them.

    I've also been in parties with bad warriors who don't have a clue how to use their toolkit.

    Most random party members aren't going to appreciate watching a tank show off for 5-6 minutes when a wipe means everyone could run back and the boss will be dead in 2-3 minutes instead. I always leave it up to the others to decide if I should die (which can be more challenging to do than the solo) or finish off the boss.

    If I had a way to rez the healer, everyone else could be up and practicing the mechanics more with the boss dying that much faster even if they all end up dying again.
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  10. #20
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    Jitah'li Habhoka
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    bold of you to assume anyone without swiftcast would want ever to cast raise

    in fight, meanwhile boss is poking them at the same time

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Give healers a self-resurrection ability
    These are super fun, but I don't think FF14 is build taking this option in mind. Who knows, but I don't think this sort of skill ever happens.

    I used to play caster which could do this in awful korean grinder. Pking everywhere kind, until global servers were killed by p2w.
    Remember this one afternoon when I was farming by myself, and the same hyper broken cleric-esque mace class, apparently, so it looked like to me, ran the dungeon through in rounds killing everyone.
    I think it dawned onto him on 5th or 6th time that he keeps of killing same mage in same room in every patrol he does.
    He stopped to stand menacingly by my murdered body, guess waiting for me to resurrect myself :') And that was perfect sign for me to stop for the day.
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    Last edited by Burmecia; 01-19-2024 at 07:09 AM.

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