Politics

[Cleretic]

Do you...do this often? Interpret things differently then they are presented?

They do this constantly, yes. This is just a particularly efficient form, because we've all played the part of the game they're misremembering/misunderstanding/ignoring like, two days ago.

[Hurlstone]

If this is okay why didn't we just overthrow the monetarist when they were giving us trouble?

I mean I have been wanting to do that since ARR so please, lets do it! It's funny how we have no issues interfering with the plights and problems of far out lands, but the three nations problems are just swept under a rug most of the time. I really wanted the fallout from 2.X to be a big change for Ul'dah and its people, but instead its pushed aside in such a weird way for the Ishgard plot (Which is great, do not get me wrong… just wish the former had more of an impact)

[Cilia]

They do this constantly, yes. This is just a particularly efficient form, because we've all played the part of the game they're misremembering/misunderstanding/ignoring like, two days ago.

Patch dropped yesterday.

Though approx. 85% of the complaints about Endwalker's story are people deliberately interpreting things differently to how they are presented... but I digress.

I mean I have been wanting to do that since ARR so please, lets do it! It's funny how we have no issues interfering with the plights and problems of far out lands, but the three nations problems are just swept under a rug most of the time. I really wanted the fallout from 2.X to be a big change for Ul'dah and its people, but instead its pushed aside in such a weird way for the Ishgard plot (Which is great, do not get me wrong… just wish the former had more of an impact)

The Scions primarily dealt with existential threats, stuff nobody else could deal with thanks to having lots of Echo users (on account of Minfilia's Path of the Twelve from 1.0 being rolled into it) until Alphinaud decided to take them out into the open... and even then, they still operated as paramilitary special forces.

The 2.X plot is awkwardly resolved and largely forgotten about because it was just filler to get Heavensward written; since A Realm Reborn was kind of proof of concept, the suits needed proof it would succeed after the bungling of 1.0 before greenlighting an expansion. So we got the political drama that went nowhere until the end, and the writers just kind of... forgot to give it a proper conclusion, hence awkwardly jumping back and forth between Ishgard and Ul'dah with no real change to the status quo (except Teledji Adeledji being dead and Raubahn losing an arm, but neither have had significant narrative consequences).

[EdwinLi]

The Scions primarily dealt with existential threats, stuff nobody else could deal with thanks to having lots of Echo users (on account of Minfilia's Path of the Twelve from 1.0 being rolled into it) until Alphinaud decided to take them out into the open... and even then, they still operated as paramilitary special forces.

The 2.X plot is awkwardly resolved and largely forgotten about because it was just filler to get Heavensward written; since A Realm Reborn was kind of proof of concept, the suits needed proof it would succeed after the bungling of 1.0 before greenlighting an expansion. So we got the political drama that went nowhere until the end, and the writers just kind of... forgot to give it a proper conclusion, hence awkwardly jumping back and forth between Ishgard and Ul'dah with no real change to the status quo (except Teledji Adeledji being dead and Raubahn losing an arm, but neither have had significant narrative consequences).

The whole political plot in 3.X era for Ul'dah felt a bit rushed more as a result they were not prepared for it so they tried to get it over with fast since they did not know where to take this plot.

Heck the two NPCs that were always with Ilberd were literally removed from the story offscreen with a very simple one time dialogue saying if they should spend life in Prison or instantly executed. These two actually had good potential to be used much longer post-Ilberd's death to show off the different reasons why people sided with Ilberd since the lalafell was doing it more out of the enjoyment and sharing the same belief as Ilberd but the Midlander was a young person who was gaslighted into believing what they are doing is the right choice. Given the chance to talk with the Midlander, he probably would have been convinced to change sides since he was always conflicted with what Ilberd order them to do.

[Cleretic]

Patch dropped yesterday.

Though approx. 85% of the complaints about Endwalker's story are people deliberately interpreting things differently to how they are presented... but I digress.

The patch dropped on Tuesday evening for me and it's now Thursday, it's been two days for me!

[Palladiamors]

I think paraphrasing Yoshida sums it up best, the writing team doesn't have a plan, they are allowed to do basically whatever they feel like. When you have a persistent writing team that's fine, but when the pen starts changing hands things tend to go awry. Like going on an expansion long side quest and coming back to the war you were in the middle of being finished unceremoniously off screen or having ten years worth of story wrapped up by a Woobie destroyer of worlds whose specialty is previously unheard of space/emotion magic who pops up in the last third of the expansion.

[Cilia]

The patch dropped on Tuesday evening for me and it's now Thursday, it's been two days for me!

Time differences, ayy!

I think paraphrasing Yoshida sums it up best, the writing team doesn't have a plan, they are allowed to do basically whatever they feel like. When you have a persistent writing team that's fine, but when the pen starts changing hands things tend to go awry. Like going on an expansion long side quest and coming back to the war you were in the middle of being finished unceremoniously off screen or having ten years worth of story wrapped up by a Woobie destroyer of worlds whose specialty is previously unheard of space/emotion magic who pops up in the last third of the expansion.

To be fair, Shadowbringers and Endwalker both had the same lead writer (Natsuko Ishikawa), though the latter clearly had some edits from Yoshi-P and/or Banri Oda.

The kerfluffle with 2.X's political storyline was a result of them having no plan because even going past 2.0 wasn't greenlit. A Realm Reborn's success let them go on to Heavensward, but they needed to kill time and keep player interest in the meantime, so we just beat up Monster of the Week primals and dealt with Teledji Adeledji trying to outplay Nanamo and Lolorito until 2.5 started hinting at where Heavensward would go. Thanks to the game's success there is generally a plan these days, but back then... nope.

I'm... cautiously optimistic with how Dawntrail is gonna turn out. If I remember right Daichi Hiroi is the main writer this time, and he did 6.X... which I found extremely disappointing in spite of the good characters. Too much deus ex machina, cliché plotline. Maybe more space will help.

[SannaR]

The whole political plot in 3.X era for Ul'dah felt a bit rushed more as a result they were not prepared for it so they tried to get it over with fast since they did not know where to take this plot.

Heck the two NPCs that were always with Ilberd were literally removed from the story offscreen with a very simple one time dialogue saying if they should spend life in Prison or instantly executed. These two actually had good potential to be used much longer post-Ilberd's death to show off the different reasons why people sided with Ilberd since the lalafell was doing it more out of the enjoyment and sharing the same belief as Ilberd but the Midlander was a young person who was gaslighted into believing what they are doing is the right choice. Given the chance to talk with the Midlander, he probably would have been convinced to change sides since he was always conflicted with what Ilberd order them to do.

I'm not sure Laurentius was truly being gasslighted. Just that he finally saw what kind of problems his actions could and did end up causing. Remember he is the Woodwailer who was supplying the Garleans with old maps and getting paid for it because he felt he wasn't getting paid enough by the Woodwailers. Then said he changed his ways after finishing his punishment when we recruited him as a Crystal Brave. Only to choose to back stab the Scions because Teledji Adeledji's pay was seen as being worth it. He probably thought he could continue to make sweet bank through the revolution. Only at the end to finally realize he was ruining people's lives for his selfishness.

[SannaR]

Time differences, ayy!



To be fair, Shadowbringers and Endwalker both had the same lead writer (Natsuko Ishikawa), though the latter clearly had some edits from Yoshi-P and/or Banri Oda.

The kerfluffle with 2.X's political storyline was a result of them having no plan because even going past 2.0 wasn't greenlit. A Realm Reborn's success let them go on to Heavensward, but they needed to kill time and keep player interest in the meantime, so we just beat up Monster of the Week primals and dealt with Teledji Adeledji trying to outplay Nanamo and Lolorito until 2.5 started hinting at where Heavensward would go. Thanks to the game's success there is generally a plan these days, but back then... nope.

I'm... cautiously optimistic with how Dawntrail is gonna turn out. If I remember right Daichi Hiroi is the main writer this time, and he did 6.X... which I found extremely disappointing in spite of the good characters. Too much deus ex machina, cliché plotline. Maybe more space will help.

I'm not sure they did 6.X. I do know he and the other main writer we are getting did Pandeamonium and Sorrows of Werlyt.

[Cleretic]

I'm not sure they did 6.X. I do know he and the other main writer we are getting did Pandeamonium and Sorrows of Werlyt.

Yeah, the 6.x lead writer (or writers) is completely unknown, save that they're working under the same overall system and structure.

My gut says it was a Daichi Hiroi story, because it generally seems to fit what he seems to put in, but that's just vibe. And given that going by 6.0's credits there's forty people that could be called 'writers', it's entirely possible that we just won't have any idea because it could be that unseen rest of the iceberg.