Okay they weren't lying about the relic

[SieyaM]

With this argument Ultimats should not have their own rewards or PVP or anything. With this logic i should be able to play triple triad to get Ultimate weapons and majong for Savage gear and chocobo races for pvp rewards. Thats not how this is working... at all. Content has rewards and you need to play said content to get them. If you dont like/want content then NO REWARD from said content. Example: I dont play ultimates so i dont get those weapons. I play Ultimates i get the weapons.

Next is Bojza is not mindless. If you dont like it its one thing but calling it mindless is personal BS nothing more. I like Eureka and Bozja but dislike Gold Saucer all together. Does this mean Goldsaucer is bad ? No, i just dislike this kind of content.. for that matter the Fall Guys Event was not fun for me. I think the quality was/is (there will be another one right aka Fall Guys comes back?) was good dispite the fact that i dislike the game-mode and the promoted game.

So wait, I thought savage and ultimate were the pinnacle of challenge and design for this game and people did them because it's the only challenge they could ever get in this game since they are such skilled and knowledgeable players. Now your saying it's a mindless grind that people do solely for the rewards, so which is it?

[Rehayem]

Gotta stop calling this a relic weapon. It's just another tome weapon that has a shiny. Relic weapons actually take effort.

[SieyaM]

Should of made the relic 660 ilvl and make people actually do savage content better yet make the high end raiders feel rewarded rather then wait to have it replaced,
Do savage or spend 6000 tomes, a massive slap in the face to all people who did the tier. Be proud casual Players you don't deserve it.

Relic weapons have always been higher ilvl and ended up BiS at the end of an expansion, while this round does seem much easier than previous relics it is in line with previous expansions.

[Krojack]

as someone who hates eureka and bojza i'll take tome grind any and every day

Causality tomes aren't even a grind. I cap out each week just doing normal game content not even trying to get them. I've had every weapon to i645 since the start of Oct.

[Turtledeluxe]

Causality tomes aren't even a grind. I cap out each week just doing normal game content not even trying to get them. I've had every weapon to i645 since the start of Oct.

The person who said that probably does hunt trains for fun i.e. brain totally off for content.

Thankfully devs aren't listening. Exploratory content is in, mindless content is out, for 7.0. Well it's not out but it definitely won't be the primary content.

[grinkdaboy]

sorry the casuals and raidsweats cried their little eyes out about having to do content to get their welfare weapon/bis barse weapon

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Why do these look like Extreme Trial Crafted Weapons that need to be featured in a Honkai Star Rail x FFXIV crossover tho.

[Battler-Ushiromiya]

Be proud casual Players you don't deserve it.

Kek seethe more

[strawberrycake]

Just to be clear, in case it didn't come through.
I do like grinds here and there. If they feel rewarding.
Bozja and Eureka didn't feel rewarding, because all it gave us was a shiny weapon and a slightly higher ilvl.

Ultimate/Mythic raiding is also a grind in some aspect. Beating hard bosses, overcoming trials in a group, that's rewarding.
I even found, in case you played back then, the argent tournament fun, because you had all those inbetween rewards and it did include enough mini games and group efforts to keep it entertaining.

But again, just stating my opinion, we don't have to agree.

But see the thing is when we had Eureka and Bozja people were trying to GET the devs to make it more involved and fun and fleshed out and instead people just bombed on it and shot it down.

Been playing WoW since Vanilla and XIV since ARR. And if Yoshida actually sat down and looked at what made those grinds in WoW worth while over just looking at people booing at a form of content, we'd be better off. Which is generally my main issue, because you;re right we don't have to agree. But seeing so many people shit on concepts that can work over talking about how they can be better and more appealing to you is something this community does in spades.

Like for all the people who hated Pagos (myself included) I still gave feed back on how to make it better, over acting like Eureka was the worst thing since botting in MMOs.

[Syrri]

Next relic is gonna be tied to cosmic exploration and you're all going to love it. It'll be like Diadem but on steroids.