Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Deceptus]

High-end players want more complexity, more responsibility. The low-end players need to be able to clear MSQ content, normal raids, and alliance raids with trusts or randoms without much hardship. Those of average skill might want a bit more complexity, but also more in the way of options for "oh FUCK" options in the event of a fuck-up. Players on keyboard & mouse generally are okay with having more buttons than players on controller would be, while players on controller are okay with fewer buttons than KB&M players would want. Ultimately, CBU3 balances jobs so that they're playable for the most people in the most content, at the cost of being less tuned for any individual group.

The problem is this mindset only affects healers. For some reason CBU3 seems to think that tanks and DPS can juggle their primary responsibility with other addons as well perfectly fine but for healers are some delicate flower that can't.

And we can.

Because if tanks were treated like healers, had the exact same damage rotation from lvl 4 to lvl 90 (with massive emnity generation on them), they would riot but for some reason this is perfectly acceptable for healers because reasons.

It's not engaging and it's simply bad design, it's a self inflicted wound by the job design team, and now they've designed themselves into a corner with no easy way out.

[ForsakenRoe]

Because if tanks were treated like healers, had the exact same damage rotation from lvl 4 to lvl 90 (with massive emnity generation on them), they would riot but for some reason this is perfectly acceptable for healers because reasons.

It's 'acceptable' in the dev team's eyes, because they do not main healers. And so when it's testing time for a raid, they don't ever test with 'is it fun and engaging' in mind, they test with 'is it numerically possible' in mind, and as soon as they find 'yes the healer player can keep up with the healing and damage output required of them', job done ship it

That, or they really want to have Cataclysm-era healing gameplay and kit, but forgot the part of Cata design where there was damage that necessitated such a healing kit

[Maltothoris]

And the longer they stand in this position, the more this is going to hurt them and the hole they dug is just going to keep getting deeper.

Again just bumping this up.

[Absurdity]

And the longer they stand in this position, the more this is going to hurt them and the hole they dug is just going to keep getting deeper.

Again just bumping this up.

At this point I honestly think it will have to hit critical mass for them to reconsider.

[Maltothoris]

And once again bringing this back up to the front page. THis probably the thread about healers that has the most traction of them all so on the slight chance that this can reach the devs ear, just gonna make sure this is on the front page whenever I can.

[Hik3n]

Yes, it needs critical mass, and more. Either way, anything they do and f up will be blamed on the players at the end, so there is no real point when there is no public test servers for people to give feedback on the changes they make.

[ty_taurus]

And once again bringing this back up to the front page. THis probably the thread about healers that has the most traction of them all so on the slight chance that this can reach the devs ear, just gonna make sure this is on the front page whenever I can.

The problem is after a certain point, we’ve exhausted the discussion and nothing else needs to be said. It’s hard to keep a thread going indefinitely because eventually you start pulverizing the dead horse into a pile of mush. At this point it’s kinda just a waiting game until the next DT live letter, whenever that happens.

[Maltothoris]

The problem is after a certain point, we’ve exhausted the discussion and nothing else needs to be said. It’s hard to keep a thread going indefinitely because eventually you start pulverizing the dead horse into a pile of mush. At this point it’s kinda just a waiting game until the next DT live letter, whenever that happens.

For the moment indeed we are beating a dead a horse but that is until we get the new actions and they finally start talking about job changes.

[Maltothoris]

Bumping this up again and reminding people that this what yoshi p said when people wanted more engaging content for healers.

[ty_taurus]

I just want to see an effort made to do something other than stay the course.