Make Deployment Tactics DPS Neutral

[Eisi]

SCH already has damage penalty on many of its oGCD heals (you lose energy drains). I love it even though it has become unpopular because no other healer loses DPS to heal.

It’s only in end walker that we started getting damage neutral healing GCDs. The optimization game until shadowbringers was to reduce GCD heals. I think that’s what people meant when they wanted to encourage more GCD healing (without mentioning the exceptions to the rule of GCD heals being DPS losses).

Isn't ED so popular that they had to bring it back because the demand was so high in the community? Not even Kaiten was that big of a deal.

In my opinion they should cut down on available OGCD heals and extend neutrality on GCD heals (again: with cooldowns, no unlimited free spam with no decision-making involved) so that there is a bit more variety among GCDs. The real challenge even now isn't to reduce GCD healing, it's to reduce DPS-negative healing.

Why yes, I would like lily heals gone from the game if it's damage neutral. I vastly preferred the ShB incarnation, you can plan around a damage refund, you don't have to plan around damage neutrality. It's not hard to see that total damage neutrality removes meaning to your choices because there is no consequence, unless you're the one being willingly obtuse perhaps?

Ok, we're done. I wasn't talking about total damage neutrality, I went out of my way to say that I want that neutrality to be on a cooldown - just like OGCDs. There's not any more I can do.

[rawker]

Isn't ED so popular that they had to bring it back because the demand was so high in the community? Not even Kaiten was that big of a deal.

In my opinion they should cut down on available OGCD heals and extend neutrality on GCD heals (again: with cooldowns, no unlimited free spam with no decision-making involved) so that there is a bit more variety among GCDs. The real challenge even now isn't to reduce GCD healing, it's to reduce DPS-negative healing.

Bringing back my other point with ED is that it is intended to be used to utilize any unused aetherflow stacks when Aetherflow goes off cooldown. If you do not need the healing, then you are given the choice to use it for damage and be rewarded, despite minimally.

And now look at how absurd is with SGE to spend gall stacks when you don't need to just because it is also tied to your MP sustain?

[Aravell]

Ok, we're done. I wasn't talking about total damage neutrality, I went out of my way to say that I want that neutrality to be on a cooldown - just like OGCDs. There's not any more I can do.

You mentioned the lily spells, and you mentioned it would help reduce the amount of filler spam we're doing. You are aware that WHM still spends 70-80% of their GCDs using their spam filler, yes? So how often do you want these damage neutral options to become available to cut into the filler spam? Certainly a lot more than every 20 seconds if you intend to cut the filler spam down to a more reasonable 50%? Does that not end up being so often that it reduces the thought required to plan everything out?

I cannot lay it out clearer than that. Take it or don't.

[Eisi]

You mentioned the lily spells, and you mentioned it would help reduce the amount of filler spam we're doing. You are aware that WHM still spends 70-80% of their GCDs using their spam filler, yes? So how often do you want these damage neutral options to become available to cut into the filler spam? Certainly a lot more than every 20 seconds if you intend to cut the filler spam down to a more reasonable 50%? Does that not end up being so often that it reduces the thought required to plan everything out?

I cannot lay it out clearer than that. Take it or don't.

Oh, so you've already moved that far have you? I am glad we agree and that you are actually in favor of Lily heals and therefore of neutral GCD options in general.

Moving a neutral healing cooldown from OGCD to GCD doesn't reduce total choice-making whatsoever. It does increase GCD variety.

[Aravell]

Oh, so you've already moved that far have you? I am glad we agree and that you are actually in favor of Lily heals and therefore of neutral GCD options in general.

I guess you don't want a discussion, that's fine, I disagree, we move on.