"SUMMONER" 7.0 Wishlist.

[Valence]

MCH after its rework being one expansion ahead of SMN in that regard, and taking a look at what MCH gained in EW, then I predict that SMN will get:

- A 60s recast spell unlocked by Bahamut and Phoenix that deals a line AoE damage.
- An automatic finisher to the Bahamut and Phoenix pet trances, probably some kind of super Akh-morning (maybe Akh-fternoon idk) that immediately follows up on Akh-Morn and Revelation.

Please look forward to it.

[Raikai]

Not a SMN main here, but anyone else thinks that instead of Bahamut/Phoenix giving access to Ifrit, Garuda and Titan, it should be the other way around? And also that there should be a reason to summon specific primals instead of "It's just your turn now."?

Without a demi (edit: not primal), it would probably make the opener weaker, but it's like that for many jobs who don't have a full resource anyway, but with that, the 2min marks would have Phoenix instead of baha, which is not really a great feel... I guess the optimal solution would be separating both Demis in their own key and letting us choose.

The reason to summon specific primals is purely situational based whether or not you can stand to cast or be on the move. I think this strategic approach is very superficial, though, and could be more of an interesting problem solving. Maybe it's because they made Garuda and Titan both fill in the same 'free movement' niche, when you can usually save your swiftcast for Slipstream.

[Palladiamors]

For me personally? Make carbuncle an independent summon again. Have him auto attack and maybe give him back some of his old auto use moves. Give us all three flavors of carbuncle, even if the final results are the same.

In general? Get rid of the charge on Ifrit and give us Phoenix's heal as an independent ability. Maybe replace our revive with something Phoenix themed. Fix or remove aetherflow.

I could probably think of more but the old heads in a bit of a haze this morning.

[rawker]

For me personally? Make carbuncle an independent summon again. Have him auto attack and maybe give him back some of his old auto use moves. Give us all three flavors of carbuncle, even if the final results are the same.

In general? Get rid of the charge on Ifrit and give us Phoenix's heal as an independent ability. Maybe replace our revive with something Phoenix themed. Fix or remove aetherflow.

I could probably think of more but the old heads in a bit of a haze this morning.

This. I used to play SMN because of the pet doing some damage on its own.. SE changing it to what it is right now left a very sour taste in my mouth that I only spend time on SCH and think of it as the normal progression for ACN. To be honest, it made me love SCH even more.

[ThorneDynasty]

Reworking Summoners entire raising utility around Phoenix would give some much needed flavor to the job. Maybe instead of the standard boring healer rez, Phoenix would let you mark a party member or two with an auto-raise status. Which is closer to what Phoenix does in some other FF games.

[rawker]

I think it is time to take Physick off ACN actions list. SMN has literally no use for it. As for SCH, disregarding the jank of the pet, this will open up another GCD-like cooldown for the fairy with the same potency as Physick.

[Raikai]

Reworking Summoners entire raising utility around Phoenix would give some much needed flavor to the job. Maybe instead of the standard boring healer rez, Phoenix would let you mark a party member or two with an auto-raise status. Which is closer to what Phoenix does in some other FF games.

It could be Reraise, action only available during the Phoenix phase and maybe with a duration that matches the next application. However if they do this, they must also address RDM's verraise as well. I suppose by just adding a recast time and maybe 2 charges (to keep RDM as a better rezzer of the 2).

It doesn't remove the utility tool completely (not subtracting job fantasy features), and with the constraints and not being available all the time, they can probably think about at least having that rez tax less punitive.

[Anvaire]

Just a few ideas from me... ill play SMN no matter what happens. These are very Blue Sky Thinking so i know all are unlikely.

Remove:

- Physick
-Resurrection

Adjust:
- the overall rotation so the Jewels give demis and not the other way round. Perhaps give the choice of phoenix or Bahamut by the type of jewels used. so you build up to Demi kinda like how Sb Bahamut was built up to by using Dreadwyrm trance. In this instance, you would need to use all three jewel summons or do something within each to ensure the summon is called.
- Ifrit, Garuda, titan Rotations to further diversify and add more casted abilities.
- Demi Bahamut & Demi phoenix - Restore SHB rotation of 1-2 for phoenix to diversify.
- Energy Drain, energy siphon, affect altered by the current summon you have attuned to or out.
- Fester and Painflare adjusted to be more job Thematic or removed. or affect altered by the current summon you have attuned to or out.
Add

-Add New Gem Summons - Perhaps the warring triad. Or Ramuh, Leviathan and one other (Not shiva due to how she was summoned - although having the SMN become the jewel summons being trance based rather than just attunement would be a good mechanic)
-Add Grand Summon -(They are the eldest and most powerful of all primals after all) Either Hydealyn Simalcrum or Zodiark Simalcrum. As upgrades to bahamut and Phoenix. (and perhaps a glamour system to choose) Alternatively have the grand summon be the finisher burst you build up to.

[SieyaM]

Just a few ideas from me... ill play SMN no matter what happens. These are very Blue Sky Thinking so i know all are unlikely.

Remove:

- Physick
-Resurrection

Adjust:
- the overall rotation so the Jewels give demis and not the other way round. Perhaps give the choice of phoenix or bahamut by the type of jewels used. so you build up to Demi kinda like how Sb bahamut ws built up to by using Dreadwyrm trance. In this instance, you would need to use all three jewel summons or do something within each to ensure the summon is called.
- Ifrit, Garuda, titan Rotations to further diversify and add more casted abilities.
- Demi Bahamut & Demi phoenix - Restore SHB rotation of 1-2 for phoenix to diversify.
- Energy Drain, energy siphon, affect altered by the current summon you have attuned to or out.
- Fester and Painflare adjusted to be more job Thematic or removed. or affect altered by the current summon you have attuned to or out.
Add

-Add New Gem Summons (They are the eldest and most powerful of all primals) - Perhaps the warring triad. Or Ramuh, Leviathan and one other (Not shiva due to how she was summoned - although having the SMN become the jewel summons being trance based rather than just attunement would be a good mechanic)
-Add Grand Summon - Either Hydealyn Simalcrum or Zodiark Simalcrum. As upgrades to bahamut and Phoenix. (and perhaps a glamour system to choose) Alternatively have the grand summon be the finisher burst you build up to.

We're hauling around Pheonix without issues so I see no reason why Shiva can't be summoned by us either.

[Anvaire]

We're hauling around Pheonix without issues so I see no reason why Shiva can't be summoned by us either.

There's a key difference though, we have phoenix due to its aether and Bahamuts being mixed together after the calamity.

We fight phoenix as phoenix, even though it has the soul of lousoix inside it effectively is a primal.

Shiva was evoked as a transformation, it changed how ysale worked and while it could be used as a summon, i personally think it would be better used in a similar way. If we channeled the jewel summons so they affected our player character, i wouldn't be opposed to it. But then, i would also like to have non ARR linked summons as currently thats all we have which is kinda... a shame considering how many Primals / similar constructs we've basked in the aether of.

Bottom line though, its just my personal preference. I'm opposed to it, but not to the point id get mad or upset if they actually added shiva to the summon rosta.