What Would Make Island Sanctuary More Enjoyable: Mammet Glamours

[Ultran]

Anything else then a mammet sweetshop. If the first idea they had when talking about an island sanctuary is mammet sweetshops, blast mining, mowing down tress and mass fabrication of chairs and tables, then I really feel sorry for the devs as their work must have really crept into their perception of what an island paradies would be.

[EdenElsewhere]

Can we just get over the excel spreadsheets for one moment?

Yes. it isn't perfect. But we may as well make it as good as it can be.

[Limecat]

Glammets? Mammours?
I want the one that removes them all. Though if we could have loporrits, and if they'd make some additional fur color/patterns to put on them, I might do that.

[xbahax92]

I want an option to remove those mammets.

[Shougun]

Can we just get over the excel spreadsheets for one moment?

Yes. it isn't perfect. But we may as well make it as good as it can be.

Why can't it be made good in all departments and only the excel portion? Can we just get over focusing on excels for one moment and make the rest of the content good? (Said facetiously).

Point being, why bother shutting down feedback- if you can make the excel portion better then do so. Meanwhile others may suggest to make other portions better, or at least express how that concept wasn't particularly their ideal idealization. Alternatively if the comment was a concern of off topic nature, I'd differ given that it was directly relevant to someone's posting on alternative mammet options and how cool it would be if we saw systems like that expanded (with references to Dark Cloud and Star Ocean as quick examples).

Doesn't seem to be worthwhile to tell people to hold their thoughts on a topic that related to the topic you presented, particularly if it was in interest of making systems not related to the excel side better (which this thread would be doing). Excel itself may be a cheeky comment you dislike the usage of but.. I find it quite apropos description, that effectively communicates the system in very few words.

[Jojoya]

Why can't it be made good in all departments and only the excel portion? Can we just get over focusing on excels for one moment and make the rest of the content good? (Said facetiously).

Point being, why bother shutting down feedback- if you can make the excel portion better then do so. Meanwhile others may suggest to make other portions better, or at least express how that concept wasn't particularly their ideal idealization. Alternatively if the comment was a concern of off topic nature, I'd differ given that it was directly relevant to someone's posting on alternative mammet options and how cool it would be if we saw systems like that expanded (with references to Dark Cloud and Star Ocean as quick examples).

Doesn't seem to be worthwhile to tell people to hold their thoughts on a topic that related to the topic you presented, particularly if it was in interest of making systems not related to the excel side better (which this thread would be doing). Excel itself may be a cheeky comment you dislike the usage of but.. I find it quite apropos description, that effectively communicates the system in very few words.

It's really easy to make the "excel" part better - don't use the spreadsheet. Figure out what should be made by thinking it out yourself.

Using the spreadsheet is like getting a carry though Savage or Ultimate. Sure, you get the reward for no effort. But the reward also ends up feeling hollow because you didn't truly earn it through your own effort.

It's not like maximizing cowries is needed at this point. Most of us are going to have Rank 20 islands with hundreds of thousands of cowries by now and we're probably more interested in churning out Felicitous Favors.

So gamble a bit. See what happens when you decide what to make yourself instead of doing what a worksheet tells you to do. Does it start feeling more fun when what you earn is due to your own effort instead of a spreadsheet?

[Shougun]

It's really easy to make the "excel" part better - don't use the spreadsheet. Figure out what should be made by thinking it out yourself.

Using the spreadsheet is like getting a carry though Savage or Ultimate. Sure, you get the reward for no effort. But the reward also ends up feeling hollow because you didn't truly earn it through your own effort.

It's not like maximizing cowries is needed at this point. Most of us are going to have Rank 20 islands with hundreds of thousands of cowries by now and we're probably more interested in churning out Felicitous Favors.

So gamble a bit. See what happens when you decide what to make yourself instead of doing what a worksheet tells you to do. Does it start feeling more fun when what you earn is due to your own effort instead of a spreadsheet?

Still an excel to me lol. I use them a lot for work to track stuff and looking at how they setup the gameplay for that section my brain turns it automatically in that format. As it lends itself well to that. I do sometimes just wing the setup but I still read the data which ultimately puts me in that mindset either way, earlier on it was due to materials but now I can craft whatever whenever.. so it's less often.. certainly.

I don't even mind it, I just think it was bad (or at least not great) that was the only real gamification they took. Hence I was like 'yeah lets get some people and lets add gameplay elements to those people'. (Why I also referenced Dark Cloud specifically, since they had pretty much that exactly - although I did suggest hamlet content and I wonder if they'd save such an idea for that). It's fine there is a chart reading gameplay, especially given it's like the only one outside of market ward manipulation (something I do sometimes too for lazy gil), just ... really feels like there should be more 'other' game in that content and not 'just' excel. So if you're responding trying to get me to enjoy the excel more, eh.. I mean I don't hate it, second nature, but I am eager to see /other/ game added to it as I feel it was a big opportunity lost (or alternatively believe it will be feedback for future 'life' content, either way the feedback is worth it.. if it's now great, if it's for the future that's fine I suppose).

I actually suggested glamour for mammets in one of my obnoxiously long threads already, but yours and another persons post made me think it'd be a lot more fun if it wasn't a glamour but actual content instead.

[Palin]

just ... really feels like there should be more 'other' game in that content and not 'just' excel. So if you're responding trying to get me to enjoy the excel more, eh.. I mean I don't hate it, second nature, but I am eager to see /other/ game added to it as I feel it was a big opportunity lost (or alternatively believe it will be feedback for future 'life' content, either way the feedback is worth it.. if it's now great, if it's for the future that's fine I suppose).

I actually suggested glamour for mammets in one of my obnoxiously long threads already, but yours and another persons post made me think it'd be a lot more fun if it wasn't a glamour but actual content instead.

I have been thinking that connecting lord of verminion to island sanctuary would be nice addition that does not require too much work. Instead of your wares being sold automatically you need to actually construct ships and send them across the sea to various points (perhaps that would require simplifying crafting and gathering parts) if you send them down a dangerous route you may need to defend your ship by sending mammets to fight. We'd get new things to do on our island, fight would be easy to balance since by story reason we would use pre chosen group of minions and i believe many people would find it cathartic to send mammets to get scrapped by the dozens

[Iscah]

Can we just get over the excel spreadsheets for one moment?

Yes. it isn't perfect. But we may as well make it as good as it can be.

What's your point? How are you proposing we make it better by not talking about the major element that people found unenjoyable?

It's really easy to make the "excel" part better - don't use the spreadsheet. Figure out what should be made by thinking it out yourself.

"The spreadsheet" is not the out-of-game solver, which has never taken the form of a spreadsheet.

The spreadsheet is the entire in-game interface of the Island Sanctuary factory schedule, whether you solve it yourself or not.

[EdenElsewhere]

Why can't it be made good in all departments and only the excel portion? Can we just get over focusing on excels for one moment and make the rest of the content good? (Said facetiously).

Point being, why bother shutting down feedback- if you can make the excel portion better then do so. Meanwhile others may suggest to make other portions better, or at least express how that concept wasn't particularly their ideal idealization. Alternatively if the comment was a concern of off topic nature, I'd differ given that it was directly relevant to someone's posting on alternative mammet options and how cool it would be if we saw systems like that expanded (with references to Dark Cloud and Star Ocean as quick examples).

Doesn't seem to be worthwhile to tell people to hold their thoughts on a topic that related to the topic you presented, particularly if it was in interest of making systems not related to the excel side better (which this thread would be doing). Excel itself may be a cheeky comment you dislike the usage of but.. I find it quite apropos description, that effectively communicates the system in very few words.

I just want people to get over that where the Island Sanctuary will go, is absolutely, mostly out of their control. I am 30. I have come to terms with the dealings of a multimillion dollar company providing an MMO, is mostly going to be out of my control. I have come to terms with the Island Sanctuary being what it is, and that FFXIV has no truly evergreen content (once you get everything you want from a place, you never have to go there again), I would just like for one of the more major problems of the Island Sanctuary to be solved. Which is mammets. Since they can't be removed, they should be glammed.