Quitting ffxiv for good

[Ath192]

The best thing to do is move on instead of trying to deny and fight the divergence. Sticking around won't accomplish anything. The developers are going to make the game they want to make, not the game that players think they should make.

This is actually not true though is it? Most of this games decisions have been driven by player feedback historically, maybe less so now. And they are only revamping the graphics because we asked for them, not because it was the easy thing to do. With the developers personally thanking the players for staying through 1.0 and apologizing to them how can you reconcile your words with so much evidence to the contrary?

I feel like your statements are more about silencing the negativity instead of listening or understanding it simply because you don't like it. But negativity has a place, and its that very same negativity in regards to this games difficulty that made it so easy. That was all player feedback. So hopefully that very same negativity will balance the game back to an interesting state again.

You certainly have no grounds to claim the devs won't make a game players want. Not when it comes to this one.

I distinctly remember Yoshi P asking in a keynote for Endwalker if it was okay to add weeks to the patch cycle and him getting a positive response because the players believed the Devs deserved some more breaks. Unfortunately, we did not realize this was going to make this games stale formula extremely obvious and make the game feel stagnant. As such, hopefully they'll step up efforts again and hire more people to keep content up instead of overworking their employees.

I have my resentments for sure, but despite criticizing them for not caring about a lot I can't say they don't take feedback.

[ty_taurus]

This is actually not true though is it? Most of this games decisions have been driven by player feedback historically, maybe less so now. And they are only revamping the graphics because we asked for them, not because it was the easy thing to do. With the developers personally thanking the players for staying through 1.0 and apologizing to them how can you reconcile your words with so much evidence to the contrary?

Something really interesting to consider is that there are many companies that pay a lot of money specifically on tools, resources, and employee time to collect data from people who are canceling subscriptions on why they are leaving the service. That data is incredibly important because companies want to know what is causing any form of hemorrhaging of their consumer base, even if that hemorrhaging isn't severe or putting them in danger.

[Jojoya]

This is actually not true though is it? Most of this games decisions have been driven by player feedback historically, maybe less so now.

We know that happened with 1.0 but 1.0 was a failed game. The only way to save it was to listen to what the players had to say.

Yes, I'll admit I expressed my thoughts badly there and so that comes across as unfair to the developers. It would have been more accurate to say they rarely choose to implement what's requested by player feedback unless player participation is below what they expect and they don't have any ideas they feel are better that will improve it.

But there's still the problem of whether SE's response is what the players were asking for in their feedback.

Players wanted gear rewards in Criterion. SE puts the weapon upgrade in Criterion Savage while nothing is added to Criterion.

Players want the relics weapons to be tied to something other than an exploration zone? SE makes them purchased through tomestones instead of giving them a unique process of acquisition that would feel like additional content.

Players want a lottery for housing instead of placard clicking. SE gives it to them, but not in the way players had visualized and tied to some additional changes that most players didn't want. Most players who left the original feedback would say they didn't get what they were asking for when the lottery was added.

Players not happy with Blue Mage design. This is one where I have to give the developers credit for trying to please players even while failing. The player base is not unified when it comes to what Blue Mage should be. It should be solo content! Group content! Casual content! Hardcore content! Trying to please those who were complaining inevitably made those who had been pleased upset. A good example of why developers frequently do their own thing instead of trying to make changes based on player feedback.

So how many times have players gotten exactly what they were asking for instead of SE choosing to respond in their own way? Not often.

I don't fault the developers for their choices, even when I may not personally like them. It is their game and their personal effort going into making the game.

But the last thing I want to do is leave an unhappy player with the idea that if they complain enough in the forums, the developers will change the game into what they want. The developers are going to continue to make the decisions about what they feel do or don't fit into the game, which are technological possible, and which are possible but not feasible from a time/cost/resource perspective.

Better to leave the feedback then move on if they're that unhappy with the state of the game. As long as they don't do something that will get them banned, they're always free to return to the game in the future when things look better to them. Just as the developers can always go back to read the feedback if the player base disappears one day.

[sindriiisgaming]

players wanted gear rewards in Criterion. SE puts the weapon upgrade in Criterion Savage while nothing is added to Criterion.

Players want the relics weapons to be tied to something other than an exploration zone? SE makes them purchased through tomestones instead of giving them a unique process of acquisition that would feel like additional content.

Players want a lottery for housing instead of placard clicking. SE gives it to them, but not in the way players had visualized and tied to some additional changes that most players didn't want. Most players who left the original feedback would say they didn't get what they were asking for when the lottery was added.

Players not happy with Blue Mage design. This is one where I have to give the developers credit for trying to please players even while failing. The player base is not unified when it comes to what Blue Mage should be. It should be solo content! Group content! Casual content! Hardcore content! Trying to please those who were complaining inevitably made those who had been pleased upset. A good example of why developers frequently do their own thing instead of trying to make changes based on player feedback.

You know I for the most part didn't even mind blue mage. I find it fun and wish they added more of it. The blue ult will be fun next expansion. And if we get bst I will also enjoy it. I enjoyed blunder till the hackers showed up. That achievement was kinda a mistake. I enjoyed pvp rework but crowd controll abuse needs a nerf. I enjoy the lottery system but ppl can abuse it with alts and they need to tighten the restrictions on one account with housing. Better everyone has 1 per dc than 100 ppl having every house. I enjoy criterion. Tho not savage. Despite its complainers. I enjoy some savages but only a tiny few this expansion. And i adore reaper despite its simple rotation. Its actually why i play it. Its approable unlike other melees. Its not like we hate everything. Just a lot of things