Feels like people are more toxic in high-end duty Party Finder than before

[HikariKurosawa]

It is true that more casual players, RPers, venue-goers are using them, whereas before it was mostly just in the raiding community.

...but your whole point was that it was the raiding community that was being affected. They have always been widely used there. I remember seeing frustrations like this aired by raiders way back in Stormblood.

I don't find it a problem, personally. I just do raids without any of these things and it isn't a problem at all. As long as they do mechanics and aren't being rude, I don't really care how they choose to play.

To clarify, I never said anything about the raiding community. I said the end game environment, I said the community, but I couldn't care less about the raiding community. It's the overall feel of the game for anyone who wants to engage in end game content. I don't even think the raiding community is a real thing, and if it is, I would never want to be considered part of it. I just liked playing the game.

There are tons of people brazenly using addons and stating them as a requirement in party finder descriptions now. It shouldn't be that way and wouldn't be if addon usage wasn't extremely normalized.

I do find it a problem because the gameplay isn't balanced or designed around using these tools, yet the bar of expectations from the community is being raised because use of these addons has become extremely normalized and common.

[Troxbark]

To clarify, I never said anything about the raiding community. I said the end game environment, I said the community, but I couldn't care less about the raiding community. It's the overall feel of the game for anyone who wants to engage in end game content. I don't even think the raiding community is a real thing, and if it is, I would never want to be considered part of it. I just liked playing the game.

There are tons of people brazenly using addons and stating them as a requirement in party finder descriptions now. It shouldn't be that way and wouldn't be if addon usage wasn't extremely normalized.

I do find it a problem because the gameplay isn't balanced or designed around using these tools, yet the bar of expectations from the community is being raised because use of these addons has become extremely normalized and common.

Just because you don't care doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The raiding community is the only reason this game has some sort of life in it 2 weeks after patches. While it's been longer than a couple weeks, you can still confirm this by looking at PF right now and see with-out the high-end tab, it's basically dead. Other than that is just the casual players afking or spamming night club events and that's a pretty bad thing to base the game on.

On the topic of addons. The casual players use these in mass and to say otherwise is just denial and the want to remove addons from the game is wanting the game to be worse than it currently is. You'd have an argument if the devs actually implemented the QOL changes that these mods bring in a timely manner or greenlisted certain addons and while they have implemented some, I specifically brought up a "timely manner" because players shouldn't have to wait YEARS for them to implement something the modding community can pump out overnight.

[HikariKurosawa]

Just because you don't care doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The raiding community is the only reason this game has some sort of life in it 2 weeks after patches. While it's been longer than a couple weeks, you can still confirm this by looking at PF right now and see with-out the high-end tab, it's basically dead. Other than that is just the casual players afking or spamming night club events and that's a pretty bad thing to base the game on.

On the topic of addons. The casual players use these in mass and to say otherwise is just denial and the want to remove addons from the game is wanting the game to be worse than it currently is. You'd have an argument if the devs actually implemented the QOL changes that these mods bring in a timely manner or greenlisted certain addons and while they have implemented some, I specifically brought up a "timely manner" because players shouldn't have to wait YEARS for them to implement something the modding community can pump out overnight.

You're confused about what I said, or pushing some weird pro-addon agenda. Let me be clear though: WoW was developed from the beginning around addons, FFXIV was developed around not having addons. It's not a valid perspective to think addons are acceptable in this game.

I never "said otherwise", most people are addon abusers in this game that should be banned for breaking ToS. It's not an argument, you are in the wrong if you have any addons installed.

[sindriiisgaming]

You're confused about what I said, or pushing some weird pro-addon agenda. Let me be clear though: WoW was developed from the beginning around addons, FFXIV was developed around not having addons. It's not a valid perspective to think addons are acceptable in this game.

I never "said otherwise", most people are addon abusers in this game that should be banned for breaking ToS. It's not an argument, you are in the wrong if you have any addons installed.

so ive been lurking for a little while and im going to be honest, you seam completly out of touch with the community. i havent seen a single person agree with anything youve said, ive watched you shame and call for the bans of everybody who even installed a mod ever. unaware this game would be comitting buisness suicide and loose 90% of its players. im not even sure why aswell you comment on topics and dmiss them because YOU dont care about them. i feel honestly like youre emposing your opinnion on others while dismissing there own. im on console. and i dont want to be represented like this tbh. i think aswell.. that those who are just trying to br ciritical of the game are only helping it, but youve endoctrinated yourself into this "must agree with everything CBU3 does" cult so much you say things without ciritical thinking. if mods were so horrible, why is square adding them to the game one by one... cant you see the hypocrasy... ive seen in the last year players having to use ACT as a legitimate means of defneding themselves from 1 - 1 - 1 combo trolls who just play lethargically in the dungeon.

[HikariKurosawa]

ive seen in the last year players having to use ACT as a legitimate means of defneding themselves from 1 - 1 - 1 combo trolls who just play lethargically in the dungeon.

this is a good idea. I might resubscribe just to do this in dungeons until people start getting banned for parsing. How are you defending yourselves from players who aren't playing their job correctly?

[Saraide]

this is a good idea. I might resubscribe just to do this in dungeons until people start getting banned for parsing. How are you defending yourselves from players who aren't playing their job correctly?

You know your animations play for other people too, right? No one with knowledge of a job needs ACT to identify sandbags.

[sindriiisgaming]

this is a good idea. I might resubscribe just to do this in dungeons until people start getting banned for parsing. How are you defending yourselves from players who aren't playing their job correctly?

The only one who'll get banned is you. Lethargic play is against tos. So yea.. gg on breaking the rules just to inforce them in some unhinged backward way. You're not a gm. Get off your horse and stop pretending to be one

[HikariKurosawa]

The only one who'll get banned is you. Lethargic play is against tos. So yea.. gg on breaking the rules just to inforce them in some unhinged backward way. You're not a gm. Get off your horse and stop pretending to be one

No it isn't lol. But again, how are you defending yourselves from these evil bad players who don't read guides?

Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately.

For example, the following types of situations fall under the act of giving an advantage to the enemy (or the opposing team/players in PvP content):
"I don't want to heal because there is a player I don't like in the group."
"I don't think we can clear this anyway, so I'll just get hit by the enemy attack and go AFK after I'm knocked out."
"I'm going to join the opposing team as a healer and do nothing so my friends on the other team can win the PvP content."
If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

all of this is very very different from playing a job suboptimally. I'm a hakaze samurai what can I say.

[Troxbark]

You're confused about what I said, or pushing some weird pro-addon agenda. Let me be clear though: WoW was developed from the beginning around addons, FFXIV was developed around not having addons. It's not a valid perspective to think addons are acceptable in this game.

I never "said otherwise", most people are addon abusers in this game that should be banned for breaking ToS. It's not an argument, you are in the wrong if you have any addons installed.

"pro-addon agenda", lmao.

Brb, im going to download more addons. My chat bubble addon isn't breaking your game immersion enough for my liking, lol.