DT Relic Proposal

[VerdeLuck]

I like the way it is now. It's something I can passively do, but everyone else hates it. But I like it so I'd vote to not change it at all.

Yeah it's pretty nice this time around for not forcing you to do either extremely tedious content (ARR/HW) or do Exploratory Zones you don't want to be in (SB/SHB).
I've posted about it on here before but having it earned through the grinding you're already doing in other content is great and freeing, I don't feel like I'm shoehorned into content I don't want to be in. I can go grind whatever content I want and still make progress without having some arbitrary "do 100 fates" or "clear each normal raid series 60 times" kind of tasks that just drag things out for no reason. And I don't have to deal with zones like Bozja and Eureka that die out very quickly.

It's feels good honestly given how bad a lot of relics were in the past.

[Ardeth]

Yeah it's pretty nice this time around for not forcing you to do either extremely tedious content (ARR/HW) or do Exploratory Zones you don't want to be in (SB/SHB).
I've posted about it on here before but having it earned through the grinding you're already doing in other content is great and freeing, I don't feel like I'm shoehorned into content I don't want to be in. I can go grind whatever content I want and still make progress without having some arbitrary "do 100 fates" or "clear each normal raid series 60 times" kind of tasks that just drag things out for no reason. And I don't have to deal with zones like Bozja and Eureka that die out very quickly.

It's feels good honestly given how bad a lot of relics were in the past.

I never do them when they are tied to an exploratory zone. The bonus to that is they were all ugly anyway so I didn't care.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I never do them when they are tied to an exploratory zone. The bonus to that is they were all ugly anyway so I didn't care.

The exploratory zones offered numerous rewards beyond the relics themselves along with their associated quests providing lore and worldbuilding information for players. The relics themselves were always optional content, not obligatory content. You were not required to get them. If you did not wish to do the exploratory zone then you could skip it. There were other options for perfectly viable weapons via other in game content to progress with. There was no need to reduce relic weapons to being charity weapons.

[VerdeLuck]

And there's the rub, one side considers anything below their standards to be "charity weapons" and "unearned". There's no discussion that can really happen when one side comes to the discussion with loaded statements like that.
You can't compromise with it, it's their way or they're going to say that the relics "mean nothing".

Endwalker brought a nice idea to the table, that maybe taking the relics and locking them behind content people otherwise wouldn't like is a bad idea. You might need to tweak the numbers, but having an open path to set your own goals to get the relic is better for more players than forcing players to engage with something like Bozja they might not like just to progress their relic. Taking something people want and putting it behind content they don't like is not going to get them to like the content any more than before. It just makes players more resentful and frustrated that they have to grind content they hate to get the reward they want.

[Ardeth]

The exploratory zones offered numerous rewards beyond the relics themselves along with their associated quests providing lore and worldbuilding information for players. The relics themselves were always optional content, not obligatory content. You were not required to get them. If you did not wish to do the exploratory zone then you could skip it. There were other options for perfectly viable weapons via other in game content to progress with. There was no need to reduce relic weapons to being charity weapons.

I know what they are. I know what they give you. I'm not sure why you felt the need to explain it to me? Also, I hate them. Arbitrary levels and arbitrary special actions all so we can simulate that terrible game FFXI. I had to push myself to do Eureka, and I never got the weapon done. Because it's full of tedious crap I'd rather not do. And like you said, I don't have to. Bozja is just as boring. But I want to do them for the armor and that one mount. But it's some of the worst content in this game next to islands.

[RitsukoSonoda]

IMO I think it needs to go back to a quest line linked to an Exploratory Zone like Eureka/Bozja but as mentioned have it launch with the actual launch of the expansion and progress/evolve during the full cycle instead of being behind most of the time. The main reason for linking it to exploratory zones is it's honestly the content type they seem to have the best record with in regards to keeping relevant and encouraging players to continually use it even if they are done with or do not have an interest in the relics.

[NekoMataMata]

There's no compromise to be made. Either they give us something more interesting than handing over end game tomes or they'll watch the active playerbase during content lulls drop to new lows.

Most of the people that actually like EW's relic quests are the same people that assume that you'd have to live your life on the game to complete older relics. The reality is that those people have zero time management skills.

[OgruMogru]

There's no compromise to be made. Either they give us something more interesting than handing over end game tomes or they'll watch the active playerbase during content lulls drop to new lows.

Most of the people that actually like EW's relic quests are the same people that assume that you'd have to live your life on the game to complete older relics. The reality is that those people have zero time management skills.

Exactly this! I'll never understand how the ethos of "it's fine to take breaks" applying to casual players and those with less time so they don't feel stressed to rush or grind has been transformed into content that forces everyone into taking those breaks whether you like it or not. There was nothing stopping them from taking the relic grinds slowly in the first place!

[mallleable]

Just give me a relic quest that does not feel like it's designed for lazy players who actually hate playing the game please.

[Stormpeaks]

Just give me a relic quest that does not feel like it's designed for lazy players who actually hate playing the game please.

Couldnt say it any better myself