The biggest hurdle to hitting crystal is...

[RyanCousland]

So why smash casual over ranked if neither matter at this point?

Logic doesn't check out.

inb4 faulty logic - "Casual is easier and more enjoyable for higher ranked chars!"

Except not, because nobody likes playing with bots, afkers, and low-efforts in casual. That's a last resort. Ranked sorts that out the higher you go.

Yet here we are, casual queue overwhelmed, and Ranked barren.

in ranked theres consequence to losing so it does matter more than casual, some might not wanna risk their rank or are tired of losing so they wait till next season or they got to the rank they wanted, i stayed plat for season 1-4 for alliteration purposes and now im always playing(aside from the days that i cant) because cc is challenging, its because casual offers nothing to lose and alot to gain, that its more active than ranked also its just as ivolke said, the logic checks out fine when you put more thought into it, i would prefer if the rank reset every season but unfortunately that probably wont happen

[yaba_gabagool]

in ranked theres consequence to losing so it does matter more than casual, some might not wanna risk their rank or are tired of losing so they wait till next season or they got to the rank they wanted, i stayed plat for season 1-4 for alliteration purposes and now im always playing(aside from the days that i cant) because cc is challenging, its because casual offers nothing to lose and alot to gain, that its more active than ranked also its just as ivolke said, the logic checks out fine when you put more thought into it, i would prefer if the rank reset every season but unfortunately that probably wont happen

What consequence? You go down in ranks until you're at the bottom of that tier and then nothing happens?

Also, you also drop ranks from inactivity so there's that too. Other people outclimb your spot.

Please, the only real consequence is when you're trying to climb out of diamond and into crystal, where you can actually drop ranked tiers.

Other than that it's literally just a numbers game.

I'm climbing on pld right now, and it's just the numbers that matter until Diamond +.

People just have a bad perception in their mind, or they're trying to mask an ego.

You're going to lose, get over it, it's part of the climb. You just gotta outlast the bad matches.

[RyanCousland]

What consequence? You go down in ranks until you're at the bottom and then nothing happens?

Please, the only real consequence is when you're trying to climb out of diamond and into crystal, where you can actually drop ranked tiers.

Other than that it's literally just a numbers game.

I'm climbing on pld right now, and it's just the numbers that matter until Diamond +.

People just have a bad perception in their mind, or they're trying to mask an ego.

You're going to lose, get over it, it's part of the climb. You just gotta outlast the bad matches.

if you think its just about one's rank then you really gotta think more about the facets of the state of ranked activity, i stated rank as just one example but theres a plethora, not everyone has the time or interest in the "numbers game" , so a loss that results in 5-20 min per match and not counting que time is enough for some to to not play in what some might think as waste of time compared to casual where again theres nothing to lose and alot to gain,

also if youre goin into the mindset of "just a numbers game" you probably wont make it that far, its more than just that, theres timing of what and when to use your toolkit as well as team combos and positioning, baiting , blocking ect

i dont know where youre getting this "ego" psycho analytic from but its defo a bit of stretch compared to the more obvious answer that its late in the season and there are other things to do with ones time

[yaba_gabagool]

if you think its just about one's rank then you really gotta think more about the facets of the state of ranked activity, i stated rank as just one example but theres a plethora, not everyone has the time or interest in the "numbers game" , so a loss that results in 5-20 min per match and not counting que time is enough for some to to not play in what some might think as waste of time compared to casual where again theres nothing to lose and alot to gain,

also if youre goin into the mindset of "just a numbers game" you probably wont make it that far, its more than just that, theres timing of what and when to use your toolkit as well as team combos and positioning, baiting , blocking ect

i dont know where youre getting this "ego" psycho analytic from but its defo a bit of stretch compared to the more obvious answer that its late in the season and there are other things to do with ones time

No it literally is just a numbers game.

Balancing is done based on win ratios, just like their crappy frontline system. Your ability to carry your team is limited, especially in this garbo system unless you're one of the super strong power classes (DRK, NIN, DRG, SAM, MCH - BLM is a meme).

There is no penalty to losing other than dropping a series if you're Diamond +, or dropping that current rank within your tier.

It's literally as straight forward as that.

I've done diamond + on 5 difference characters, in multiple seasons.

How many have you done?

[RyanCousland]

No it literally is just a numbers game.

Balancing is done based on win ratios, just like their crappy frontline system. Your ability to carry your team is limited, especially in this garbo system unless you're one of the super strong power classes (DRK, NIN, DRG, MCH - BLM is a meme).

There is no penalty to losing other than dropping a series if you're Diamond +, or dropping that current rank within your tier.

It's literally as straight forward as that.

I've done diamond + on 5 difference characters, in multiple seasons.

How many have you done?

in the words of The Dude "Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man."

if you wanna keep this mentality then good luck in your ranked endeavors, im not gonna have a pissing match of who has/had a higher rank

[yaba_gabagool]

in the words of The Dude "Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man."

if you wanna keep this mentality then good luck in your ranked endeavors, im not gonna have a pissing match of who has/had a higher rank

It's not actually opinion, it's fact.

I just want to make it clear, that the issue here is not that I have to be right, it's that you can't be wrong.

[RyanCousland]

It's not actually opinion, it's fact.

I just want to make it clear, that the issue here is not that I have to be right, it's that you can't be wrong.

theres not much to be wrong about, you started this thread because ranked isnt active and despite multiple people telling you the various reason as to why you respond with "but casual is active" as if these are comparable ,
then you go on about saying ranked doesnt have a downside to loosing and therefore people should just keep queing in order to satisfy your own climb instead of just accepting that ranked is gonna get/be slow and make an effort for next season ,since its so easy for you to get to diamond + on 5 characters. i get it ,truly i do but to be honest this thread has gone way past the point of just venting to where youre just now bitter and i get it but its not gonna help you or pvp in this game

[joansbones]

I've done diamond + on 5 difference characters, in multiple seasons.

How many have you done?

hey i can flex my achievements too

just win and you will climb

[Mistress_Irika]

Not getting queues.

For days now, the queue just sits forever.

I only first started getting but a handful of games last night, for a batch of 5 games, and then the queue immediately died again.

What consequence? You go down in ranks until you're at the bottom of that tier and then nothing happens?

Also, you also drop ranks from inactivity so there's that too. Other people outclimb your spot.

Please, the only real consequence is when you're trying to climb out of diamond and into crystal, where you can actually drop ranked tiers.

Other than that it's literally just a numbers game.

I'm climbing on pld right now, and it's just the numbers that matter until Diamond +.

People just have a bad perception in their mind, or they're trying to mask an ego.

You're going to lose, get over it, it's part of the climb. You just gotta outlast the bad matches.

That's what happens when you make it easier to climb. Something breaks in the ranking system, and queues eventually die somewhere within rank. I honestly don't see that changing as long as getting everyone into the higher ranks remain a priority.

Consequences are severe late into the season. I had to find that out the hard way. A couple of seasons ago I've invaded the Crystal server and got to diamond for the first time. I've coasted throughout the season. However, it took one night to be in a room full of top 100. Instead of staying out of queue I tried to climb. 3 straight hours struggling while being diamond 5 the entire time before eventually being pushed back to platinum. I've never gotten another game for the rest of the season despite queues staying at 5 minutes. So these days I don't spend too much time in rank.

I do agree that for some people there's nothing to learn in casual games. However, let's be honest. Why queue rank if you're going to be potentially punished by not getting games for simply being bad? How can you 'git gud' if you're forced to sit out? There's literally no difference between now and back then when a few people were forced to sit in rank queue for 7+ hours. I'm sorry if you got the short end of the stick, but that's how things are, especially in platinum.

[Bonoki]

That's what happens when you make it easier to climb. Something breaks in the ranking system, and queues eventually die somewhere within rank. I honestly don't see that changing as long as getting everyone into the higher ranks remain a priority.

Consequences are severe late into the season. I had to find that out the hard way. A couple of seasons ago I've invaded the Crystal server and got to diamond for the first time. I've coasted throughout the season. However, it took one night to be in a room full of top 100. Instead of staying out of queue I tried to climb. 3 straight hours struggling while being diamond 5 the entire time before eventually being pushed back to platinum. I've never gotten another game for the rest of the season despite queues staying at 5 minutes. So these days I don't spend too much time in rank.

I do agree that for some people there's nothing to learn in casual games. However, let's be honest. Why queue rank if you're going to be potentially punished by not getting games for simply being bad? How can you 'git gud' if you're forced to sit out? There's literally no difference between now and back then when a few people were forced to sit in rank queue for 7+ hours. I'm sorry if you got the short end of the stick, but that's how things are, especially in platinum.

I really hate derank and was against it for the longest time. But the community asked for this unfortunately. They hated all the casuals being in Crystal rank in season 1 and 2 that made their titles and stuff feel undeserving because of how easy it was to climb. The community wanted ranked to be limited to the most dedicated and try hard of players. Not the causals that decide to play a month after the season starts. You can blame those people for why the queues are as bad as they are now. They wanted this because this is the "industry standard for PvP" they are used to and makes things feel more competitive for themselves by gate keeping everyone else out. I absolutely agree that you can't get good if you have to sit out.