Third-party Tools Can Negatively Affect Players Not Using Them

[Mosha]

It is part of the problem with cosmetic modding that people are doing this, but we're talking the smallest part of the problem. You act like it's not 0.00001% of modders that do it for helms on hrothgar/viera alone. Most of you are making insane changes to the aesthetic of the game and completely avoiding any reason to engage in the game world for the purposes of appearances. Most are using it to avoid to cash shop even if there are a small amount that use mods that are tied to cash shop purchases that solely exist as a whataboutism to make modding seem less harmful than it is.

yeah, that's fundamentally wrong lots of mods are tied to cash shop items and people don't use mods to avoid paying in the cash shop.

It's not good, it will never be good. With AI coming into prevalence, you're not going to get away with it for very long. I'll tell you how anti-cheat could and will easily work without intruding on our privacy at all too: 1) game developers get an AI system that scans the internet for ffxiv related cheats and compiles a database, 2) anti-cheat references the database while you are playing the game, 3) computers detected using any program on the list are denied access to the game connection. 4) have a staff that oversees the database and makes sure it is only adding tools or files that actually mod the game.

If it's detecting programs on a PC it's violating that person's privacy its invasive and YoshiP has been very clear that those types of anti-cheats are a no-go.

[HikariKurosawa]

yeah, that's fundamentally wrong lots of mods are tied to cash shop items and people don't use mods to avoid paying in the cash shop.


If it's detecting programs on a PC it's violating that person's privacy its invasive and YoshiP has been very clear that those types of anti-cheats are a no-go.

1) No, the vast majority of mods have no tie to cash shop items.

2) YoshiP would rather go back on his word than let the game die. You say I lack nuance, yet look who is talking lol. Detecting programs that are only related to ffxiv cheating =/= a privacy violation. You're just mad because I pointed out a way that they could detect cheats without being problematic.

[Visanis]

2) YoshiP would rather go back on his word than let the game die. You say I lack nuance, yet look who is talking lol. Detecting programs that are only related to ffxiv cheating =/= a privacy violation. You're just mad because I pointed out a way that they could detect cheats without being problematic.

Are you trolling at this point or legit just that stupid?

[HikariKurosawa]

Are you trolling at this point or legit just that stupid?

????? Tell me you abuse third party tools without telling me you do.

[Visanis]

????? Tell me you abuse third party tools without telling me you do.

Imagine thinking that anyone that disagrees with you or thinks that you're being a clown is a modder.

What a sad, paranoid life you must live.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

If it's detecting programs on a PC it's violating that person's privacy its invasive and YoshiP has been very clear that those types of anti-cheats are a no-go.

What I don't think people understand is the cultural and legal issue this causes. Japan has lots of games like this and no one cares. In the US, its basically dooming your game to include this, as the majority of gamers will drop you if you have a DRM that actually interferes with their computer. In Europe, its actually illegal in some countries, and where its not the attitude is largely the same as the US.

Basically including PC scanning would make this a JP only game, which would absolutely gut their bottom line. Yoshi-P is many things. Stupid isn't one of them.

[HikariKurosawa]

What I don't think people understand is the cultural and legal issue this causes. Japan has lots of games like this and no one cares. In the US, its basically dooming your game to include this, as the majority of gamers will drop you if you have a DRM that actually interferes with their computer. In Europe, its actually illegal in some countries, and where its not the attitude is largely the same as the US.

Basically including PC scanning would make this a JP only game, which would absolutely gut their bottom line. Yoshi-P is many things. Stupid isn't one of them.

Valorant says hello, one of the most popular games in the entire industry and it has an extreme anti-cheat that is also extremely effective.

Times are changing, people are less tolerant for cheating and you're joking if you think your data isn't already completely monitored.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Valorant says hello, one of the most popular games in the entire industry and it has an extreme anti-cheat that is also extremely effective.

Times are changing, people are less tolerant for cheating and you're joking if you think your data isn't already completely monitored.

Oh look, you found one. That single example totally isn't an outlier that would get ignored in any statistical analysis.

Its also not an MMO, so different type of player, even assuming you are correct. The entire game is PVP, meaning anti cheat is a lot more important there.

[HikariKurosawa]

Oh look, you found one. That single example totally isn't an outlier that would get ignored in any statistical analysis.

Its also not an MMO, so different type of player, even assuming you are correct. The entire game is PVP, meaning anti cheat is a lot more important there.

I am correct. PvE or PvP it makes no difference, cheating to get ahead in a game where players compare themselves to each other is the same as cheating in a pvp game. It's not like this is a single player game, every player compares themselves to others and uses their prog as a reference to see where they stand.

Sad thing is that most people doing high level content in this game are doing it by cheating so it's a bunch of invalid players acting like they're doing something meaningful. Funny to see cheaters try to justify their actions over and over. It never gets old to call out the state of cheating in this game.

[Ivtrix]

I am correct. PvE or PvP it makes no difference, cheating to get ahead in a game where players compare themselves to each other is the same as cheating in a pvp game. It's not like this is a single player game, every player compares themselves to others and uses their prog as a reference to see where they stand.

Sad thing is that most people doing high level content in this game are doing it by cheating so it's a bunch of invalid players acting like they're doing something meaningful. Funny to see cheaters try to justify their actions over and over. It never gets old to call out the state of cheating in this game.

This is how most people view you