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  1. #11
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    UkcsAlias's Avatar
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menriq View Post
    I realize this is anecdotal, but I feel like a lot of people said that getting CT was still going to happen frequently, and that the ilvl cheesing was not the biggest cause of those raids to pop. I feel like at least twice a day during my queuing, I get sprouts, so it seems like there is still a lot of new characters that can skew the odds towards that.
    It has reduced a bit, but since CT is still msq required, those 3 raids will always be more common.

    This mostly helped for those that wanted to do the later raids, as now those queue times has been massively improved as ilvl cheese no longer takes away players.

    And the first few weeks the ivalice raids also has shown up a lot more due to becoming f2p. But by now it has mostly settled
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    Bunbun Thurm
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    Lamia
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    The fix they did wasn't to address always getting CT. It was in response to everyone saying ilvl cheese is the reason. They got rid of the biggest complaint but still have the secondary complaint left intact (the fact it's mainly CT).

    The moment SE made it part of the MSQ is when they kinda screwed themselves with the alliance roulette.
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  3. #13
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    Zairava's Avatar
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    Lamia
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    It was to fix IL cheese, not always getting CT.

    To bring my own anecdote, it worked too. I've been getting CT raids far less often and have instead been getting a pretty good mix between them all.
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Because ilevel cheesing was not and never was the cause. It's because CT has so many reasons for someone to do it and no other alliance raid matches that amount of content tied to it in some manner. Which any number of people on these forums and other places in social media stated and nobody wanted to listen. Now you want to push yet another "cause" that isn't a cause since it does nothing to fix that imbalance.
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    Last edited by TaleraRistain; 11-22-2023 at 09:21 AM.

  5. #15
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    LilFlowers's Avatar
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    Ana Flowers
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    Famfrit
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    Aside from new players doing MSQ people will still queue for it to get Wonderous Tails done.
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Mateus
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    CT raids are the ones that people will 100% sure have unlocked, so it's logical that we see it often. Not saying it's good that we do, but it is what it is.

    The only real way to fix this is simply putting the CT raids in the MSQ roulette, since it appears to be the outlier among the alliance raids - as they implied that they're not interesting in making more optional content mandatory in the future.
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  7. #17
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    Friel Wyndor
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    Siren
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    I think they could do something like locking you out of Alliance Raid Roulette if you move on to a new expansion in MSQ without unlocking the previous expansion's raids. For example, you finished Stormblood and are about to move on to Shadowbringers... but just as you are about to accept the next quest you get a pop-up warning message. It tells you that if you progress further in MSQ, you will not be able to queue for Alliance Raid Roulette until you unlock the Stormblood raids. It's up to you if you want to continue or hold off until you update your roulette standing.

    Another way they could do it, is bake it into endgame gear progression. In addition to the normal requirements to upgrade armor or get each tier of relic weapon, you need a special coin that drops from doing Alliance Raid roulette. However, you only get the coin if you have every Alliance Raid completed up to the current content.

    Ultimately, though, Crystal Tower is always going to come up the most often. That's just how it is, being the lowest common denominator among all players. I'm in favour of steps to encourage more players to unlock more content, but at the same time it's not a "problem" that can ever be truly "solved." It's just a function of the greater population's demands. It's like saying "How come it's almost always some 2 year old's birthday, but it's hardly ever a 95 year old's birthday?" That's just life, my dude.
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  8. #18
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    Cordelia Emery
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zairava View Post
    It was to fix IL cheese, not always getting CT.

    To bring my own anecdote, it worked too. I've been getting CT raids far less often and have instead been getting a pretty good mix between them all.
    It really was because of that. Looks like far too many people complained about it, otherwise they wouldnt have thought to change the roulette ilv rules.

    Too bad the downside are that casual slow MSQ new players wont be able to queue up for this roulette due to the very highly occurrence that they'll be overleveled for whatever changing ilv requirement asks of them. Had this happened to a buddy of mine, who's gotten into the game recently
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  9. #19
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    Camulos Kellesha
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    Adamantoise
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    It's not at all surprising when anyone who is level 59 and below can only access CT. As other people have said, this is functioning as it should. Go into alliance roulette assuming you're going to be helping new people get through MSQ, and be pleasantly surprised if it's something else. If you're not in the mood for CT, go do a hunt train or grind PVP or something.
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  10. #20
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Fixing the ilv cheese had very little to do with addressing the frequency of getting CT raids. The complaint that they were chiefly responding to were the drastically long queue times to get into an AR that fell between CT and current. They've also increased the rewards for the in between ARs as well to help entice players to do them. Still though, it is nice to know that if you do get a CT raid that it isn't because of some cheese head.

    The reason why CT comes up so much is due to their low level and MSQ progression requirements. It just takes one player at level 59 or below and/or not having any other ARs unlocked, and off the other 23 players go right into CT. They have yet to truly respond to this complaint, and at this point it is highly doubtful they ever will.

    Due to this, the real problem with AR roulette is not the frequency in which players will get CT per se, but rather ilv bloat makes the mechanics completely redundant. This is a non-factor for the last AR released in an expansion which is why ARs like World of Darkness, Dun Scaith, Orbonne, etc. still play out almost like they did on release day. Assuming they weren't nerfed like Orbonne was. The roulette wouldn't be nearly as bad if the bosses of LoTA and ST weren't pushovers who can't even get into the second phase of their mechanics, or provide any level of a threat at all.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 11-22-2023 at 02:58 PM.

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