How would you solve the boring "damage rotation" of the healers?

[Aravell]

As for the original post of 'WHM needs to stay boring and braindead so people who put in no effort can purple parse' (or whatever the exact wording was), I'd assume that to mean 'so that players can hit whatever buttons in whatever order, and still get told they're a good player congratulations we're so proud of you', which... I'd say the 'Blood Lily is nourished by any GCD heal' idea would lead to that particular result? Regen, Cure2, Cure3, Medica2, the Lily heals, just hit whichever one you like, at any time you like. Even if it's overheal, who cares, just whack it and press Misery every 4th GCD

Honestly, not only does making every GCD heal damage neutral produce an absolutely absurd amount of healing for free, it also makes it such that you effectively have no decision to make at all.

If you're told that walking down one path leads to 100 dollars and the other path leads to 10 dollars, you'd definitely go for the former path since you benefit more. But if you see 7 paths in front of you and you're told that every path leads to 10 dollars, why even have a choice?

That's why I said before that full damage neutrality leads to a dead end in design. By making everything of equal value, you effectively lose the ability to make a choice because the choice has already been made for you, you will get the 10 dollars and you will be happy with it, you no longer have the option to go for the 100 dollars.

[TheDustyOne]

To be fair, /comfort having an actual gameplay effect in a couple of older dungeons was neat, if a bit out of left field.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

To be fair, /comfort having an actual gameplay effect in a couple of older dungeons was neat, if a bit out of left field.

Isn’t this the one where you could cleanse out ‘Misery’ debuff inflicted by Gremlin enemies? I was disappointed when I find out the Holminster’s variant straight up give a cleans-able Slow.

[TheDustyOne]

I believe it was, yeah. Gubal (I think both normal and hard?) and Amdapor hard (unsure about normal).

[RitsukoSonoda]

I believe it was, yeah. Gubal (I think both normal and hard?) and Amdapor hard (unsure about normal).

Funnier is I think that debuff is actually caused by the Gremlin actually insulting your character.

[TheDustyOne]

I remember the gremlin mobs in one of the ShB FATEs saying something like "your face is ruining my immersion!" Got a good laugh out of that.

It's the silly things that, while possibly annoying, I find memorable. Emotes having some combat effect is fun and I kinda wish they'd play around with it a little bit more in the odd dungeon or 2.

[Renathras]

So, this "most liked" comment...

Sorry, tried to answer you asking this in the healer forum but it didn't post. Here:

1) Didn't say anyone was.

2) A common refrain here - which some posters there said as well - is "We can't increase healing complexity, because then we'd have to change every encounter in the game and/or casual healers couldn't clear any content (despite talking about Extremes/Savages, not casual content)". Those are arguments people HAVE used here before.

3) Regardless, that isn't the point. The POINT is that there are other people that oppose giving healers tank-level rotations, something people here were asking for and insisting I was alone in opposing.

4) Note that a number of the posts, including the most liked ones, aren't just on about the "don't reduce healing complexity". People replying there ARE outright saying they don't want an increase in dps complexity at all - whether or not healer complexity is touched. That's the point. My view isn't isolated. We don't even have to go there, as 3-4 other people have posted in this thread agreeing on that point/opposing the majority wanting more DPS actions. But taken here and there, it's clear that there is a non-negligible portion of the healer playerbase that DOES NOT want more dps actions/complexity on their healers.

More than enough to sustain the argument that at least one healer Job should be spared from such changes.

5) Also, because someone posted a picture of what SCH would look like if it had DPS Faeries:

Edit: Actually I'll add this bit for you. Do you even realize that half the things you reply to are hyperbole and you treat it as literally? When people say "everyone" or "no one", that's hyperbole.
Just look at your last reply to Sarge

Poe's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

"Poe's law is an adage of internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.[1][2][3] The law is frequently exploited by individuals who share genuine extremist views and, when faced with overwhelming criticism, deflect by insisting they were merely being satirical. "

Short version:

In text, people cannot tell for sure if you are being sarcastic or hyperbolic unless you denote you are in some way.

At its worst, people actually DO believe what they say, but when called on it, deflect to "I was just being sarcastic/exaggerating", but even at its best, when people have no bad intentions, it leads to confusion when people read what they TYPED OUT and respond to that. People are not mind readers, so it's not right to expect they can tell when you're being overly sarcastic unless you have some kind of marker indicating sarcasm, or are so over the top that it's extremely obvious (though if someone doesn't see it then, you should recognize that's still on you and use your next post to say "Sorry I didn't make it clear enough, that as sarcasm. What I really mean is..."

If you are talking to friends/people who agree with you, this tends to happen less, but if you are talking to people that you don't have a rapport with or whom you disagree with, it tends not to register as what it is. How many times have I been accused of saying I speak for the majority when I outright say I only speak for 15-30%? I'm not only NOT exaggerating, I'm quantifying my position to a limited amount, and people STILL exaggerate 15-30% into "a majority". So if I take that level of pains and people insist I'm being hyperbolic, how much more should you guys constrain your own statements to not be interpreted as overinflating?

What makes me think it's in bad faith is when people say something sarcastic/exaggerated/hyperbolic, I respond to it, then they mock/attack me for responding to it, which seems a lot like entrapment. "Haha, I'm going to say EVERYONE thinks a thing, then when you contest that not everyone does, I can attack you for being stupid and not seeing obvious sarcasm! Got 'em!" If it's genuinely in good faith, the response is more like what I say when people say I was being hyperbolic, either a "It's not hyperbolic, I actually do mean it, and here's why..." or "Yeah, I probably didn't use the right word. Let me clarify what I mean..."

That would be the correct response to misunderstanding.

IDEALLY, people can just tamp down on the hyperbole. In lieu of that, clearly mark when you're being hyperbolic. In lieu of THAT, if someone misunderstands you and responds thinking you were serious, instead of using it as an opportunity to attack them, use it as an opportunity for an olive branch with a "Sorry, I was being over the top. Let me explain what I actually mean..." since that would actually lead to...well, understanding and potentially even mutual respect.

Which is better than what we have going here right now.

EDIT:

It's a parody of hardcore raiders being blamed for random things.

Much the same as Sylphies.

It's a tongue in cheek bit of self depreciation to try and add a bit of humour to the post. Nothing more, nothing less sir.

Ah.

Forgive me, someone just earlier in the thread said I was calling raiders "awful" and "terrible" and DIDN'T mean it tongue-in-cheek, and another someone invented the words of me calling everyone stupid out of thin aire to also attack me with, and there are many people in these discussions that have a history of using Sylphies literally, not as an exaggeration, and insisting they exist and are somewhat common. Hence my confusion.

Regardless, my apologies for thinking you might be doing the same. Sorry for the mistake on my part, ma'am.

[CidHeiral]

[ReynTime]

Blocking Renathras was the best thing I've done in this forum. Highly recommend.