How would you solve the boring "damage rotation" of the healers?

[Renathras]

This is giving very "you asked for more overtime, why are you asking for more money? Your reward was more work" energy right here.

Yes but no.

People have said they're asking for more DPS buttons to "not be bored" not "to do more damage than other players".

It's like an older person who retired, is bored being retired, and so starts a business that they're actually losing money on but it makes them happy since they aren't bored anymore.

When people ask for overtime, it's because they need more money, not because they're bored (generally).

So are you asking for more DPS buttons because you're bored, or because you want to show people up with more DPS than them?

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What I'm seeing is "it's negligible, so it shouldn't matter to you that you won't be doing it" to which case my response is still valid as "if it's so negligible, then you shouldn't care that I'm NOT doing that much less than you".

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Yes, people like feeling rewarded for putting in effort. So you're saying if I put in my effort to healing, I get punished. So we agree that's bad because I'm being punished for putting in effort. " the consequence of using your DPS kit well is more DPS, the consequence of using your DPS kit poorly is less DPS" which shouldn't be part of the calculus for a NON-DPS role. Or, at least, not all members OF IT.

You want to optimize DPS.

That's great.

We have Jobs for that.

They're DPS Jobs.

Those already exist.

You can play any of those, any time you want, right now.

You have 11 options of Jobs to play in this game where you can optimize DPS ability use and are rewarded with more DPS for doing so over your lesser peers who aren't optimizing their DPS abilities.

I and others are willing for SOME of the healers to be like that, too, so all of you who want to play healer but also to optimize DPS get to do that.

But WE (some of us) do NOT enjoy that. So having a healer Job or two that does NOT do that (note the current status quo is that NONE of them really do), is not a tall ask.

I'm reminded of a quote from Raven in Teen Titans to Beast Boy, trying to convince her to eat tofu burgers:

"I respect, that you don't eat meat. Please respect, that I don't eat fake meat."

I and those like me respect that you want to play a healer but also optimize DPS.

Please respect that we do not.

And the answer isn't "Well, here's a proposal. You can still play healer (how kind), you just will be super suboptimal and a bad player, but hey, you can still clear the content after a few months when you over gear it, and you can play just casual content just fine, you'll just be super slow getting through fights and be a bad player. How does that sound? You get to be a bad player, but still do stuff where it doesn't matter. And maybe some of it while it matters, but only after your betters are done with it. Doesn't that sound great?"

No...no, that does not sound great.

I like to optimize healing. That's not "lazy", or "bad". And right now, it's not bad play on healers to optimize healing and NOT have a complex DPS rotation. What you want is for "good play" to be optimizing DPS. And I'm even more than willing for you to have some options that do that while also being healers - to share the role. So the reverse is not asking for much.

Are you aware that the current difference between a grey WHM and an optimal WHM is about 65%?

Goalpost move, that's a different question.

Your argument is to up the skill ceiling and then have people continuing as they are now do less damage.

That's a different argument than what people are doing with the existing kits as they are.

I'm not impossible to communicate with, and I'm not gaslighting you "into thinking you're wrong". I think we're approaching things from different angles, and you have a bad habit of always assuming the worst of me - that I'm trying to gaslight you or trick you - when I'm not. That bad assumption leads you to misunderstanding me, and then you blame me for the misunderstanding rather than your negative assumptions.

If you don't understand something, do what I do, ask questions. When I give answers, say "From what I'm reading, I think you're saying X. Is that correct?". If I say it's not and attempt to clarify - which is pretty much something I always do; if someone seems to have something wrong, I absolutely attempt to explain it in a different way - then same thing in iteration "Okay, so you didn't mean X. Okay, from what I'm reading...I think you're saying Y. Is that right?", and so on, until we nail it down.

Like what I did before when you said something, I responded, you said that wasn't what you meant, I then asked "Okay, here's why I thought you meant that. Since that's not what you meant though, what did you mean? Here are a few questions for me to ask that maybe your answers will help me understand."

Yes, you don't understand, despite me trying to be clear and being consistent; so ask questions and I'll try different explanations until we find one that makes sense and is understandable. Clearly I'm not impossible to communicate with, since we're communicating now. Just ask questions if you don't understand. Maybe that's the problem? So let's try that.

Ask me your questions.