Dawntrail Healers need a rework

[ForsakenRoe]

I know you have an axe to grind against WoW, but digging up a single encounter is silly when we're Glare spamming so much in almost every fight.

You misunderstand, I think there's plenty of things we could learn from WOW. I just want to know, in that fight where the healers had very little healing to do, not because of a lack of damage per se, but because they literally could not heal thanks to the fight's mechanics, what did those healers do to fill the downtime? I'd imagine that it'd be damage, which is just what we have here, in which case the two games are very alike. The difference was that there was more damage to heal back then in WOW, but we might not be able to get away with raising healing required here as much because WOW has something we don't: responsiveness

It's like taking a bunch of people that hate sports and were playing videogames and saying you want them to play soccer, and when some say they don't want to play soccer, offering them basketball and football as options, ignoring that they aren't saying they don't like soccer, they're saying they don't like sports, which is why they were playing videogames instead of sports when you happened upon them. While some might like videogames AND sports and take you up on one of the options presented, that doesn't help the people that don't like sports and were explicitly avoiding sports.

I think the analogy falls apart a bit when you consider that the four healers are part of the same role, therefore they have to be related. Probably makes more sense to say that each role is a hobby, like 'sports' or 'video games' or 'reading books', and within that category you have different things. Like the four healers can be four different sports, and some sports involve a ball, some don't (running/highjump/longjump), but at the end of the day they're all linked in that they require some amount of physical exertion, like how healers have 'healing' as their core. And regardless of the sport, all of them have a fair amount of depth to 'master' said sport. Pretty sure most people agree that the four healers should feel different in their damage, there's just disagreement on why one should be left as it is

[Renathras]

I think the analogy falls apart a bit when you consider that the four healers are part of the same role, therefore they have to be related. Probably makes more sense to say that each role is a hobby, like 'sports' or 'video games' or 'reading books', and within that category you have different things. Like the four healers can be four different sports, and some sports involve a ball, some don't (running/highjump/longjump), but at the end of the day they're all linked in that they require some amount of physical exertion, like how healers have 'healing' as their core. And regardless of the sport, all of them have a fair amount of depth to 'master' said sport. Pretty sure most people agree that the four healers should feel different in their damage, there's just disagreement on why one should be left as it is

Well, here's the thing, if we stick to the analogy, then the thing they're part of is videogames.

So you asking them to do sports would be you asking them to do a thing outside of their role. At the end of the day, DPSing IS outside of the healer role itself. We have an entire role devoted to that.

Now, if we had roles of Tank, Healer, and Support, where there was no dedicated DPS role, then sure. But we aren't in that game. We have three roles, one of which is DPS. And healer is not that role.

Now, it's fine, then, to offer Wi Sports as one of the options (e.g. SGE that heals by doing damage). But it shouldn't be all of them. Since the role is videogames, not sports.

[ty_taurus]

Well, here's the thing, if we stick to the analogy, then the thing they're part of is videogames.

So you asking them to do sports would be you asking them to do a thing outside of their role. At the end of the day, DPSing IS outside of the healer role itself. We have an entire role devoted to that.

Now, if we had roles of Tank, Healer, and Support, where there was no dedicated DPS role, then sure. But we aren't in that game. We have three roles, one of which is DPS. And healer is not that role.

And tank is also not that role. Tanks don't need anything more than what healers have for DPS, yet they do. There is a disconnect between the way the two non-DPS roles are treated, which means one of them is failing to respect the rules of their role. Either healers are failing to meet a sufficient amount of DPS variety that is acceptable for non DPS roles as established by tanks, or tanks are grossly overstepping their acceptable amount of DPS variety.

If the rule is that a Non DPS role should have a basic single target attack, AoE attack, and 1-2 additional tools for allowing them to function in solo content, but anything else is not permitted for crossing over into DPS role responsibilities, then tanks have failed and should have their DPS actions culled.

[IDontPetLalas]

Well, here's the thing, if we stick to the analogy, then the thing they're part of is videogames.

So you asking them to do sports would be you asking them to do a thing outside of their role. At the end of the day, DPSing IS outside of the healer role itself. We have an entire role devoted to that.

Now, if we had roles of Tank, Healer, and Support, where there was no dedicated DPS role, then sure. But we aren't in that game. We have three roles, one of which is DPS. And healer is not that role.

Now, it's fine, then, to offer Wi Sports as one of the options (e.g. SGE that heals by doing damage). But it shouldn't be all of them. Since the role is videogames, not sports.

Have you been sleeping somewhere, since healers have had more to do than heal in multiple games, including this one? (Rift, Everquest, SWTOR, Aion, etc) all of those games either had healers who healed through damage and/or had specs , so that healers could go full DPS or hybrid spec for solo or groups.

So now, in this game, we have a healer that the game designer declared "heals through damage' i.e Sage- so, yes healers do damage.