Housing needs to be account based

[Karious]

Bro really got all his friends in here to back him up lmao. There's no issue with housing. It works as intended, even if that intention is to work poorly. I've got three houses on Balmung and that's no small feat. Us folks that own multiple houses aren't worried about them getting taken away because we're grandfathered in. I worked my butt off to earn these three homes, and I'm finally at the point where I've been making money off submarines. People who want submarines detached from FC houses have no idea the effort that goes into acquiring everything necessary to get submarines profitable. Every time there's a housing thread its always people jealous and angry at those who have what they don't have so they cope and create mental gymnastics as to why people like me shouldn't be allowed to have what I worked for.

[Stormpeaks]

Bro really got all his friends in here to back him up lmao. There's no issue with housing. It works as intended, even if that intention is to work poorly. I've got three houses on Balmung and that's no small feat. Us folks that own multiple houses aren't worried about them getting taken away because we're grandfathered in. I worked my butt off to earn these three homes, and I'm finally at the point where I've been making money off submarines. People who want submarines detached from FC houses have no idea the effort that goes into acquiring everything necessary to get submarines profitable. Every time there's a housing thread its always people jealous and angry at those who have what they don't have so they cope and create mental gymnastics as to why people like me shouldn't be allowed to have what I worked for.

Basically yeah, that's why I actually stopped responding to them, it aint worth it

I'll say this in a childish way because it applies very well to them

I'll keep having fun with my houses, decorate them, make a nice gil bank while they sit there complaining without a house or with one house only, maybe 2 at most.

The more effort you put in, the more you get, that's the principle of life, because this is a video game doesnt change anything to that.

Spend the 3 entire days like I did just to level the characters to 25 to make FCs, then spend another multiple days to just level up the rank on all of them, then wait the one month to bid, then wait 4 months of DAILY submarines to level them to 85 so you can finally make gil out of them, and dont forget that making new fcs is monthly, once one goes, it's time for a new one, its a constant workflow if you want to have a decent income, there's no breaks, and you have to keep investing gil, investing gil, investing gil, and investing more gil, before you even get a single cent out of it.

Oh and also, pay the almost 200€ I pay in subs.

Any volunteers ?

Didnt think so

but those facts aside thank you Karious, I actually mean it, the constant attacking was actually out of hands lol.

[MAJRIS]

are you the one that owns 100+ of FC's?

I think the general complaint of people without houses is that compared to old players, their sub's worth of money is not worth the same same opportunities as old players or multiowners.
If you want M or L, you will have to pay 200 milion gil or more. And we know how little self control gamers have, they resort to RMT to finally obtain house to finally fit into the crowd.

your argument is fair, as it probably takes money, time and effort to actually get to some results.
what I don't agree with, is putting equation between life and games with "that's life" excuse.

If we take the example into the extreme, (maybe it was not far from truth back then before adding new worlds), someone paying sub fee he had no opportunity to participate in housing at all because people that pay the same fee owned hundreds of houses.

[Impia]

Basically yeah, that's why I actually stopped responding to them, it aint worth it

I'll say this in a childish way because it applies very well to them

I'll keep having fun with my houses, decorate them, make a nice gil bank while they sit there complaining without a house or with one house only, maybe 2 at most.

The more effort you put in, the more you get, that's the principle of life, because this is a video game doesnt change anything to that.

Spend the 3 entire days like I did just to level the characters to 25 to make FCs, then spend another multiple days to just level up the rank on all of them, then wait the one month to bid, then wait 4 months of DAILY submarines to level them to 85 so you can finally make gil out of them, and dont forget that making new fcs is monthly, once one goes, it's time for a new one, its a constant workflow if you want to have a decent income, there's no breaks, and you have to keep investing gil, investing gil, investing gil, and investing more gil, before you even get a single cent out of it.

Oh and also, pay the almost 200€ I pay in subs.

Any volunteers ?

Didnt think so

but those facts aside thank you Karious, I actually mean it, the constant attacking was actually out of hands lol.

Cute lil echochamber you've got going there. Reality check: a monumental effort and financial investment to do something selfish to the detriment of others doesn't make it any less crap of you to do. It reflects even worse on your character for being so invested in doing that thing and by no means justifies your actions. I could never be jealous of someone like you, "multi-owners" are so delusional despite being such a reviled portion of the community that many go as far as to conceal their identities just to avoid the well-deserved backlash their actions result in.

Also, you just backpedaled in your previous post and admitted that you recognize this is a problem with the older NA servers, only to double back and commiserate with someone who owns multiple houses on Balmung. Yeah, you're not inconsistent at all lmao.

[Stormpeaks]

are you the one that owns 100+ of FC's?

I think the general complaint of people without houses is that compared to old players, their sub's worth of money is not worth the same same opportunities as old players or multiowners.
If you want M or L, you will have to pay 200 milion gil or more. And we know how little self control gamers have, they resort to RMT to finally obtain house to finally fit into the crowd.

your argument is fair, as it probably takes money, time and effort to actually get to some results.
what I don't agree with, is putting equation between life and games with "that's life" excuse.

If we take the example into the extreme, (maybe it was not far from truth back then before adding new worlds), someone paying sub fee he had no opportunity to participate in housing at all because people that pay the same fee owned hundreds of houses.

Except those people are rare on old worlds, yall really need to stop pretending there's a million multiowners lol, there aren't hundreds of multiowners on balmung for example or on Mateus, there might be a few yeah but even they can't get much because in the end their bid is worth the same as anyone else's, that's why multiowners moved to Dynamis. And even with those big bad multiowners, there's still thousands of plots open, so obviously on dynamis it's a non issue. And tbf on old worlds as well, if it wasn't a multiowner owning that house, big chance it wouldn't be the person complaining either considering the amount of bidders even on small plots.

More effort -> more investment -> more results.

That simple.

Also let's not forget that 99% of multiowners are using fc plots, not personal plots, so it has no impact on personal buyers, or at least used to until SE decided it was a good idea to create unrestricted wards for both personal and fc. That one is on SE, it was a terrible idea.

[Impia]

Also let's not forget that 99% of multiowners are using fc plots, not personal plots, so it has no impact on personal buyers, or at least used to until SE decided it was a good idea to create unrestricted wards for both personal and fc. That one is on SE, it was a terrible idea.

That's right, just keep shifting the responsibility of your actions to your enabler. :^)

[Reinha]

If you want M or L, you will have to pay 200 milion gil or more. And we know how little self control gamers have, they resort to RMT to finally obtain house to finally fit into the crowd.

You really don't have to. You can wait for the next housing release like most old timers did. Most of us had a small house for years and we had to be patient too. If new players are looking for an instant L mansion, then they are expecting more for their subscription than old players got.

[Impia]

You really don't have to. You can wait for the next housing release like most old timers did. Most of us had a small house for years and we had to be patient too. If new players are looking for an instant L mansion, then they are expecting more for their subscription than old players got.

"I suffered in the past so I want future generations to suffer so I'm gonna hoard their opportunities with my generational wealth."

Ok boomer

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Honestly the only reason why I would want an account based housing is because I'd like to have FULL access to my main's one and only private estate via all my created alts within the same DC.

[Jojoya]

Bro really got all his friends in here to back him up lmao. There's no issue with housing. It works as intended, even if that intention is to work poorly. I've got three houses on Balmung and that's no small feat. Us folks that own multiple houses aren't worried about them getting taken away because we're grandfathered in. I worked my butt off to earn these three homes, and I'm finally at the point where I've been making money off submarines. People who want submarines detached from FC houses have no idea the effort that goes into acquiring everything necessary to get submarines profitable. Every time there's a housing thread its always people jealous and angry at those who have what they don't have so they cope and create mental gymnastics as to why people like me shouldn't be allowed to have what I worked for.

How do you know it's working as intended? Has YoshiP or any of the other developers issued a statement describing what their expectations for the system are?

That the lottery and other changes have been made is a very good sign that the system is not working as intended because players are using the system in ways they didn't expect.

I know how much effort it takes to get subs bringing in gil. I've been doing it for various FCs my characters belong to since mid Stormblood when one of my alts become a FC leader after everyone else had stopped playing.

Detaching workshops from housing doesn't mean you have to lose your workshop progress any more than FC members still lose their FC rooms if the FC wants to change the location of the FC house. All it would mean would be entering the workshop through a location other than the FC house and that FCs could have their workshops without having to purchase a house first. FCs currently lack a meaningful way to make gil to even purchase their house. Getting the initial start on a workshop costs much less than even a small house (500k for the workshop plus another couple of hundred thousand to make the first vessel depending on what materials FC members choose to gather/craft on their own and donate.

That you're trying to turn it into a big deal shows you're engaging in some mental gymnastics yourself.

I wonder how you got those 3 houses on Balmung. Did you win each legitimately through the lottery or were you buying FC houses up for sale to the highest bidder? Perhaps you inherited one like my alt did or you might have been one of the prolific click bot users that acquired those houses through botting before the lottery went into effect.

It seems like every time there's a housing thread, some abusing the system outside of the spirit of the rules get upset and angry that others would like to see a system implemented that allowed every player to own multiple houses and workshops just like you currently do. The current system doesn't allow that.

What happens in the future is up to SE. All players can do is to state their desires and wait.