Dawntrail needs to better, not just more.

[Jeeqbit]

As you said, trying to find a good antagonist is difficult with how powerful the WoL is. Take away our power, and it feels cheap, but make some ordinary joe defeat us and it also feels cheap. They have to do it right.

The way I see it, no matter how many accolades you have, you have to keep on top of your game to avoid losing.

Let's use some of the MMA fighters that were once unbeatable that then got beat.

Streaks that were broken include Ronda Rousey with 12 wins, Jon Finch with 16 wins, Anderson Silva with 16 wins, Matt Hughes with 18 wins, Jose Aldo with 18 wins, Ben Askren with 18 wins, Glover Teixeira with 20 wins, Thomas Almeida with 20 wins, Hector Lombard with 22 wins, Hennan Bura with 32 wins.

You have to keep up your game, train hard and hope a new person isn't faster than you, that you didn't get complacent or overconfident, that you didn't get so consumed in advanced tactics that when someone uses the most simple and basic ones again, they get you. We have been fighting god-like bosses capable of ending the world; given this, might we have forgotten what it is like to face a person with a simple sword and a shield? It's possible! All those people lost their unbeatable winning streaks after all.

[Rufalus]

I started expressing concern with the formula years ago. These expansions are just story packs with no gameplay evolution to speak of.

The whole genre is looking stale. I've been checking out videos of Tarisland. That game doesn't seem to have any ideas of its own, another copycat dud.

So yeah, that's where we're at and it's hard to find evidence that the community team even reads the English forum.

[keichirou]

Not everyone has grown tired of the formula and would like to keep experiencing it.

Trying to get developers who are good at making one formula do a 180 and create an entirely new formula in the time it normally takes to create an expansion is a recipe for disaster.

Other games do exist. That's the best place to go when you want to experience a different formula.

must be really nice living in your land of conformism.

[Volgia]

The sad part of this is that with the whole idea of "a new story, a new adventure and beginning" yet we are still hanging onto old characters, we're still hanging to the same formula, aren't the devs themselves getting bored of doing the same thing over and over?

[Jeeqbit]

The sad part of this is that with the whole idea of "a new story, a new adventure and beginning" yet we are still hanging onto old characters, we're still hanging to the same formula, aren't the devs themselves getting bored of doing the same thing over and over?

Clearly not. They seem very happy with the scions being like a permanent scooby doo gang, a permanent simpsons family, or any other example of people who've stayed together for the entire time. The new trailer has made this clear to me.

Anyone who left the scions up until now were just people they never wanted part of the gang and were explaining their exit after 1.0. That became clear to me a while ago.

[Volgia]

Clearly not. They seem very happy with the scions being like a permanent scooby doo gang, a permanent simpsons family, or any other example of people who've stayed together for the entire time. The new trailer has made this clear to me.

Anyone who left the scions up until now were just people they never wanted part of the gang and were explaining their exit after 1.0. That became clear to me a while ago.

I'm okay with the Scions but they shouldn't take leading roles in Dawntrail. They should be more of supportive characters while we meet new people, Alphie and Alisae's journey feels done, Y'shtola is at best someone you can bring back to something like the post patch story, I don't know what they're gonna do with Thancred and Urianger, I feel like they need to be away from us for a little while to grow as characters.

[Metalface_Villain]

although i'm not 100% sure about some of these ideas, most of them and the general take is absolutely correct. another very important problem besides their formula, the rewards problem etc is that ff14 plays like a ps3 game, with the goofy net code or whatever cause the delay and all the other technical issues that makes it feel sometimes even more dated than wow classic. i think to really fix the game they should have simply made a new one, new engine, no clunky ps3 bs, new story, characters, job design, a better take on rewards, more content and keep what was working from ff14 like the story and music and raid mechanics. ff14 as is, no matter how much they sprinkle graphical improvements (which imo weren't that impersive) won't last long, endwalker was the perfect chance for a new beginning but game a company gotta do what companies do and make as much money with as little effort and resources as possible, so this is what we got and if wow and other mmos is a measure to predict the future, then ff14's is pretty bleak. i only wish the player base wasn't so fanatic, instead of being critical when the game is bad, they go and attack anyone that does criticize it, not realizing that what they are doing is actually ruining the game and not helping it.

[Metalface_Villain]

You can play other games if you are unhappy. You can also go outside.

or the game he loved can be actually good and have content for more than the three first days of each patch since he is paying money to buy the game and a subscription to keep playing it? just a wild thought but don't let this stop you from being a shill, keep uncritically glazing the game no matter what and when the game dies because of it, well, then you can also go play another game or go outside

[NekoMataMata]

I think she was more about, where someone of our powerlevels should come from. As it, sure the higher dragons etc are strong, some Voidsend, but overall, no average warrior should be able to handle us, unless they use new tricks or numbers...

The convenient way would be to have some new villain that was waiting to use the ashes of our previous adversaries against us... Oh, wait that was Golbez and we just tided that entire situation up in 5 patches worth of MSQ.


So. Assuming DT isn't going to be a self-contained one and done story, the main option we have for adversaries comes down to them being rather intelligent. The WoL is strong, but the WoL can't be everywhere at once. This new adversary should build up its strength over the next expansions while manipulating and outplaying the WoL + Scions. Since we're not reusing old plot lines we can also throw in a few natural horrors that were hidden away in the parts of Etheirys that we have yet to explore. Things that perhaps the Ascians themselves had issues with and sealed away or something.

It'll be different compared to the rest of the series as we know it where we've always been weaker and grown in strength throughout the expansion to meet the threats at the end of it, but it can be done. SE probably won't though.

[AnnRam]

You gonna enjoy 8 hours of MSQ( half non voiced + tedious cutscenes ) /5 dungeons/ 3 trails / new main hub without mounts allowed and then when you are done you will return to Limsa and wait for the next patch( 4 months later)that will include raids

And you will have to deal with it.