A summary of healer issues

[Supersnow845]

Playrate? Lol

Considering the most played in the roles are WAR, WHM, DNC, SMN and RPR it seems like even if they if did balance around play rate they can’t seem to figure out if they should be the weakest or the strongest considering all 5 are either the weakest or the strongest in their respective role over the course of this expansion

[Aravell]

Considering the most played in the roles are WAR, WHM, DNC, SMN and RPR it seems like even if they if did balance around play rate they can’t seem to figure out if they should be the weakest or the strongest considering all 5 are either the weakest or the strongest in their respective role over the course of this expansion

It's kind of sad when you think about it, job design is now so close to each other that every job has certain parts that feel the same yet they can't even get a proper balance going.

[Post]

My issue with SGE has never been that it's not good enough, it's that if I wanted to play SCH, I'd play SCH. I've known how to play SCH for years, and SCH has been awesome for years.

I don't like it as much since ShB (that's the first time I stopped regularly playing it), but in EW they screwed with all the healers enough that they all feel bad compared to what they used to be like, so I just default to the classic standard usually.

SGE needs its own identity in gameplay, because aesthetics and lore are only skin deep, especially how readily they toss those if balance calls for it.

Even its mobility is silly now because almost everything it does has a ridiculous 30y range. WHM, SCH and AST got silly ground-targeted AoE range buffs, but SGE is *new* so they didn't want to give it one of those actions (despite their targeting/execution drastically easing in EW). As a result, they just made SGE have the ridiculous range instead.

Because these changes aren't tied to traits and level ranges, they have a huge impact on the legacy content of the game: Solo healing the current Unreal feels far easier than it should be (how it felt min ilvl when current), partially because range isn't a consideration anymore.

[ForsakenRoe]

Because these changes aren't tied to traits and level ranges, they have a huge impact on the legacy content of the game: Solo healing the current Unreal feels far easier than it should be (how it felt min ilvl when current), partially because range isn't a consideration anymore.

As I said somewhere else (don't remember where), on-content you had 'I can shield Dragoon Dives with only Succor, or Deploy Adlo gambling on a Crit. Soil is 6y radius' and now it's 'Kerachole is 30y and hits the whole arena. Pneuma is 25y and hits the whole arena. Panhaima is literally designed for 'multiple hits in a row mechanics' and is 30y so it hits the whole arena', it's mad how little we have to think about range and positioning compared to previously. Also the final enrage, we have like 3-4x as much mitigation options compared to back then so it's way easier to handle the spam of raidwides

[IDontPetLalas]

My issue with SGE has never been that it's not good enough, it's that if I wanted to play SCH, I'd play SCH. I've known how to play SCH for years, and SCH has been awesome for years.

I don't like it as much since ShB (that's the first time I stopped regularly playing it), but in EW they screwed with all the healers enough that they all feel bad compared to what they used to be like, so I just default to the classic standard usually.

SGE needs its own identity in gameplay, because aesthetics and lore are only skin deep, especially how readily they toss those if balance calls for it.

Even its mobility is silly now because almost everything it does has a ridiculous 30y range. WHM, SCH and AST got silly ground-targeted AoE range buffs, but SGE is *new* so they didn't want to give it one of those actions (despite their targeting/execution drastically easing in EW). As a result, they just made SGE have the ridiculous range instead.

Because these changes aren't tied to traits and level ranges, they have a huge impact on the legacy content of the game: Solo healing the current Unreal feels far easier than it should be (how it felt min ilvl when current), partially because range isn't a consideration anymore.

I don't see the whole "Sage is full of 30y range " issue but (for example)- Scholar isn't. They both have approximately the same amount from what I see - SCH has DT, Adlo, Sacred Soli, Protraction, Lustrate, Excog- at least. if anything, on Sage you needed to be in melee range for some heals initially but they expanded the range.

For Scholar. it may have had adjustments since it first came out I don't recall it wouldn't surprise as Forsaken said they've been expanding ranges, look at how big the bubble is for AST currently, it's a bit ridiculous, far be it that we think about placing it.

[Post]

Sorry, I was unclear. I'm saying (agreeing) all the healer range increases are ridiculous because 90% of the game isn't designed for it; not that it's a situation unique to SGE. SGE in particular feels invalidated by it because mobility is kinda part of its wheelhouse, at least when compared to other healers, but it has so much range now that it hardly benefits from moving and positioning (like all healers now).

The size of e.g. Earthly Star is basically the healer role's version of 'boss hitboxes are huge, so why do we care about ranged or caster DPS?'. Those ground targeted actions feel like they've become superfluous and that aspect of the game is gone. It feels like the use that they offered (focused proxy healing/mitigation in an area, possibly in advance) is obsolete in a world where it's harder to miss than hit with them, and really the design team would prefer if they all functioned instead as a simple buff like Kerachole (SGE's Sacred Soil equivalent). The range increase was pretty recent, too. 6.4 I wanna say.

[ForsakenRoe]

I don't see the whole "Sage is full of 30y range " issue but (for example)- Scholar isn't. They both have approximately the same amount from what I see - SCH has DT, Adlo, Sacred Soli, Protraction, Lustrate, Excog- at least. if anything, on Sage you needed to be in melee range for some heals initially but they expanded the range.

For Scholar. it may have had adjustments since it first came out I don't recall it wouldn't surprise as Forsaken said they've been expanding ranges

In terms of 'number of mitigations available', they're pretty close after they gave SGE's Holos a shield (since it was behind on mit in DSR and it was apparently an issue there), but the point is moreso 'number of mitigations that are applicable to situation X in old content'. SCH having Soil is cool and all, but in terms of 'how does this affect SCH for Dragoon Dives' it brings its own issues because it's not got as large a radius as to cover both sides of the mechanic (north and south dive spots), either you have your marked party members be in slightly, which increases the proximity damage (and negates the benefit of the Soil), or you drop it on only one side and cover only 2/3 of the dives. Meanwhile, SGE can Kera and hit the next instance over because it's got a 30y radius. When I tried SCH in Thordan Unreal for the heck of it, I had to actually think about what I was going to use, where, because of the range issues. As SGE I put a lot less thought into things, because it almost felt like a case of 'there are no wrong answers' with how every mit had such big coverage. What does it matter if I press Holos instead of Kera, they're both gonna hit everyone anyway

The funny one is Temperance though. You think the 20y radius on Star was big, Temperance is out there at FIFTY

[IDontPetLalas]

50? ahahaha. I hadn't checked. That's hysterical.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Yeah. Straight up from 20y to 50y.

You bet that's going to reach another group progging/raiding in a different instance.

Actually... I wonder if that will reach the 2nd group while running E8N/S during that party split phase lol.

[SargeTheSeagull]

This is a nitpick considering the other issues healers have but does anyone else hate how sacred soil and asylum are 200ft tall now? I don't mind them being wider but they're so tall its like the entire arena has a hazy blue filter on it the whole time. It's so distracting.