Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[kaynide]

It's actually the other way around. The MSQ by itself can push you far ahead of MSQ level. It's not that people are choosing not to do it, it's that doing it causes you to overlevel very easily .

It’s still just a matter of choice. I am well aware you can level 2 jobs to cap just on MSQ alone more or less (I’ve done it 3 times beyond my main). I level is irrelevant and my point stands if they aren’t able to access sources of gear that will fix their ilvl.

That’s the point: The problem is only that a player needs higher ilvl to do the roulette, which to me is a non problem at all.

To actually even be a problem, a player is
1) actively choosing to not proceed MSQ which provides ample gear for free via dungeons/quests/etc
2) actively choosing not to just buy gear to get the required ilvl; money is a non issue for level 50 stuff
3) actively choosing not to just get tomestone gear, which they should be able to afford after minimal roulettes.

Any one of these options alleviates your problem. All you need do is pick one.

I can't see how it's self imposed if it happens because of the roulette requirements and affects people just playing the game normally.

And you are well aware that’s how it used to be, but enough people complained about ilvl cheese and this is the solution that was given.

[Erzaa]

And adding a couple more conditions to alleviate this "self-imposed" problem, is a problem because?

[PyurBlue]

It's still a matter of choice when it comes to doing Alliance raids.

The roulette is not the only way to gain access to Alliance raids. The player can direct queue for up to 5 at the same time and will get assigned to one of those 5.

Then why even make the ilvl change? People could always just choose 5 raids if they didn't want CT.

The player can choose to gear for their job level and gain access to the roulette, or not gear for their job level so they need to manually select the raids. There's nothing special about the roulette bonus that can't be acquired through other content.

The only way to get the AR bonus is to use the roulette, so there is something special that is missed out by being barred from it.

They player can choose to do a bunch of things, but that's not really the point. It doesn't change that the ilvl restriction it needless, probably hasn't done what it was intended to do, and keeps people from being able to queue when they should have queue access. From the beginning it's been acknowledged that there may be ways around the ilvl lockout, but the lockout should not exist in the first place.

For most of those who have overleveled their MSQ progress, the roulette bonus is more harmful than helpful. It contributes more XP so they overlevel MSQ even more (assuming they haven't already reached 90, or 70 if on free trial). Tomestones become useless for gearing (if they need accessible poetics gear for alt jobs, they could have queued using those alt jobs in the first place).

No it's not. It's up to the player to decide what is helpful or harmful. If you want to max out a bunch of classes, then Road and an extra roulette is anything but harmful. The only thing that might warrant a change is making Road something that can be opted out if a player really wants. That still doesn't fix AR roulette though. It should still be changed to prevent locking players out and should be split so that CT is on its own.

Solutions are at hand

Yes, asking SE to fix what they've broken.

Any one of these options alleviates your problem. All you need do is pick one.

They don't because the problem is the roulette.

And you are well aware that’s how it used to be, but enough people complained about ilvl cheese and this is the solution that was given.

And now people are complaining about the ilvl lockout and are asking for a solution to that. I think it's also worth noting that ilvl cheese probably didn't even matter in the first place, so there isn't much to praise with the current roulette.

[Baxcel]

And adding a couple more conditions to alleviate this "self-imposed" problem, is a problem because?

I'm fine with adding a MSQ check to it as long as we keep the ilvl check and also add in the requirment of having all 3 alliance unlocked once your MSQ reaches the point you can get them..

This will bring the cheesing and the only unlocking CT to and end ensuing that the only time we are forced into a certain raid its when someone directly registers for it.

Well have to have a much stricter punishment for people abandoning tho too.. since people like to bring up the bring in an alt an leave with it.. maybe after abandoning so many roulettes you just can't register for it with that chr anymore?

[Erzaa]

I'm fine with adding a MSQ check to it as long as we keep the ilvl check and also add in the requirment of having all 3 alliance unlocked once your MSQ reaches the point you can get them..

This will bring the cheesing and the only unlocking CT to and end ensuing that the only time we are forced into a certain raid its when someone directly registers for it.

Well have to have a much stricter punishment for people abandoning tho too.. since people like to bring up the bring in an alt an leave with it.. maybe after abandoning so many roulettes you just can't register for it with that chr anymore?

Sounds reasonable to me.

[kaynide]

I'm fine with adding a MSQ check to it as long as we keep the ilvl check and also add in the requirment of having all 3 alliance unlocked once your MSQ reaches the point you can get them..

This will bring the cheesing and the only unlocking CT to and end ensuing that the only time we are forced into a certain raid its when someone directly registers for it.

Well have to have a much stricter punishment for people abandoning tho too.. since people like to bring up the bring in an alt an leave with it.. maybe after abandoning so many roulettes you just can't register for it with that chr anymore?

I'm in the camp of "If you abandon a roulette before a certain amount of time/before a wipe, you forfeit the roulette for the day". Not overly punishing, but also makes people stick with it a bit more as leaving = no XP at all for the day.

[Baxcel]

I'm in the camp of "If you abandon a roulette before a certain amount of time/before a wipe, you forfeit the roulette for the day". Not overly punishing, but also makes people stick with it a bit more as leaving = no XP at all for the day.

That's fair but I was trying to figure a way to keep those people who were saying they would use Alts to force CT raids and just never level em up from doing so.. if they do it so often and then eventually that alt can't run roulette anymore they'd have to make a new one.. wasting more time to level it up an clear the MSQ.. 2ould eventually tire them out so they just stop an accept whatever raid they get instead of making countless number of alts

[PyurBlue]

I'm fine with adding a MSQ check to it as long as we keep the ilvl check and also add in the requirment of having all 3 alliance unlocked once your MSQ reaches the point you can get them..

This will bring the cheesing and the only unlocking CT to and end ensuing that the only time we are forced into a certain raid its when someone directly registers for it.

Well have to have a much stricter punishment for people abandoning tho too.. since people like to bring up the bring in an alt an leave with it.. maybe after abandoning so many roulettes you just can't register for it with that chr anymore?

Forcing all raid unlocks just repeats the current problem, though at least it wouldn't be as bad. ilvl + MSQ should be enough. And we probably shouldn't be trying to create an overly punishing system to control how people play. We have a penalty system already and it's fine.

If you really want to encourage people to do something, reward them instead. Find the pain points in the system and fix them, you'll end up improving the game experience as a whole.

But that issue isn't because of this change lmao. That is because of DC travel. Stop equating Dynamis problems to the Alliance Raid change. The Dynamis problem is a whole other issue with an entirely different solution needed.

Dynamis wasn't caused by the ilvl check, but that doesn't keep the ilvl check from making the situation worse.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Dynamis wasn't caused by the ilvl check, but that doesn't keep the ilvl check from making the situation worse.

Its like someone saying eating food is bad because it makes their tooth with a cavity hurt. Maybe they should go to the dentist and get that fixed instead of just not eating food? I get the analogy isn't great, but making a situation "worse" does not mean its the problem. The root cause needs a resolution.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I'm in the camp of "If you abandon a roulette before a certain amount of time/before a wipe, you forfeit the roulette for the day". Not overly punishing, but also makes people stick with it a bit more as leaving = no XP at all for the day.

Then I suppose people would do what I usually do: finish all other roulettes, leave AR for the last. Get something that we don't like? Insta-bail and log off lol.