What would a new tank even contribute at this point

[sindriiisgaming]

At this point I'd take that over what we currently have.

untill your main is the one effected

[LilimoLimomo]

Personally, I don't feel like the existing 4 tanks are different enough to warrant a 5th. If there aren't enough ideas to spread across 4 tanks, then there won't be enough for 5.

And to be clear, I'm not even talking about whether they're the most effective at X, Y, or Z; it's just whether they feel different, both thematically and functionally. And in my subjective opinion, they don't; they're 90% the same moves with a tiny dash of flavor.

That said, when 8.0 arrives, we will 100% be getting a new tank; the only question will be what the state of the existing 4 tanks will be at that point, and whether the 5th can bring any new ideas to the table.

[Thurmnmurmn]

untill your main is the one effected

Nah even then. It's not like one job being dog poo will change much when the content is easy as it is.
It would only really be an issue in savage/ultimate which I don't do anyways.

[sindriiisgaming]

Nah even then. It's not like one job being dog poo will change much when the content is easy as it is.
It would only really be an issue in savage/ultimate which I don't do anyways.

i recall in 6.1 mch being excluded from pf for no damage, trust me this will bleed into even savage and ex's. and even if it didnt. this is a horrible idea that will punish anybody who wants to play those non -meta jobs

That said, when 8.0 arrives, we will 100% be getting a new tank

based on what? the likleyhood the next ranger is the last ever job is not only high, but kinda nesscesery for the health of job balance in this game

[Musashidon]

based on what? the likleyhood the next ranger is the last ever job is not only high, but kinda nesscesery for the health of job balance in this game

one its the order SE does after 2 DPS is either a healer or tank and we just had a healer this expansion. so its tank and suport ranged dps in the expansion after DT also the job balance is always up and down but over all its balanced fine people just like to complain.

[GoatOfWar]

one its the order SE does after 2 DPS is either a healer or tank and we just had a healer this expansion. so its tank and suport ranged dps in the expansion after DT also the job balance is always up and down but over all its balanced fine people just like to complain.

Legit don't want a new tank anymore. The tanks are becoming so homogenized i'd rather not have them waste the memory on my SSD for another animation pack that plays the exact same but you have to level up again.

[Thurmnmurmn]

i recall in 6.1 mch being excluded from pf for no damage, trust me this will bleed into even savage and ex's. and even if it didnt. this is a horrible idea that will punish anybody who wants to play those non -meta jobs

Yeah I remember that. I played a decent amount of mch back then and I can't recall ever actually experiencing anyone denying me for playing it.
A lot of people talk about it yes. But the actual actions I guess were mostly in the elite groups.

Imo FFXIV is way better equipped than wow for creating imbalance in jobs.
You can play all jobs on one character so why not give an incentive to play other jobs.
And also the usage of DPS meters is "technically" not allowed. So only those who use them would even know/care who isn't up to par.

[sindriiisgaming]

one its the order SE does after 2 DPS is either a healer or tank and we just had a healer this expansion. so its tank and suport ranged dps in the expansion after DT also the job balance is always up and down but over all its balanced fine people just like to complain.

literally no. look at the state of rdm right now, look at war. how can u tell me job balance is fine. monk does maxium effort to do same smg as mch with no effort... things are not OK

Yeah I remember that. I played a decent amount of mch back then and I can't recall ever actually experiencing anyone denying me for playing it.
A lot of people talk about it yes. But the actual actions I guess were mostly in the elite groups.

Imo FFXIV is way better equipped than wow for creating imbalance in jobs.
You can play all jobs on one character so why not give an incentive to play other jobs.
And also the usage of DPS meters is "technically" not allowed. So only those who use them would even know/care who isn't up to par.

you dont need dps meters to calculate damage, you can do it with a spreadsheet and calculator, thats how YoshiP does it. theres also the decently reliable in game agro meter that shows 1-8 in agro. its not fool proof but its good enough. just because somebody knows your job does bad dps doesnt mean theyre using ACT

I can't recall ever actually experiencing anyone denying me for playing it

i literally had to became a rpr main because of it happening on chaos PF

You can play all jobs on one character so why not give an incentive to play other jobs.

because exclusion isnt incentive its an ultimatum

[Musashidon]

literally no. look at the state of rdm right now, look at war. how can u tell me job balance is fine. monk does maxium effort to do same smg as mch with no effort... things are not OK

they are fine. you can feel other wise and so will other people you can't make everyone happy. every expansion will come with a decent amount of combat changes that make every job suck to someone for some reason and say it's not balanced but at the end of the day it will be alright.

[sindriiisgaming]

they are fine. you can feel other wise and so will other people you can't make everyone happy. every expansion will come with a decent amount of combat changes that make every job suck to someone for some reason and say it's not balanced but at the end of the day it will be alright.

dude no. i main mch and play monk on the side. its not "fine" at all. i have to delay half my skills just to line up my bursts with themselves, i have to use a rotation that isnt supported by XIVanalysis making improving and learning enarly impossible. i genuinly think you dont play these jobs your claiming are fine. i play these jobs in savages, i can FEEL that theyre not ok. if itl be "alright" its only because we faut to have it fixed