Viper would of been better if it had a different name

[Iscah]

Really? GUNbreaker? Who happens to use a GUNblade, a well known Final Fantasy weapon? You're reaching. The warrior as I mentioned was a stretch, but good call trying to call me out on that example when I already mentioned that.

Yes, really. What does a gunbreaker do? "Breaks guns"? What immediate connection does that have to a gunblade, assuming you know what a gunblade even is?

We're used to it now as a term, and had it presented to us when we were already anticipating to hear what a gunblade user would be called. But to an outsider, it's opaque and suggests nothing. If you want to play concept association as loose as "two terms with the word gun in them" – neither of them being real words outside of a Final Fantqsy context – then prettymuch anything goes.

And yes, I am calling you out on sweeping aside the example that disproves your argument as simply "a stretch". What about the term "warrior" (or marauder before it) should unquestionably call "heavyweight axe-wielder" to mind over any other kind of warrior?

[fulminating]

Localizations more often than not still called them Dragon Knights, and they did use spears.



They're literally your example.

Yeah because if you read the opening paragraph it gives a brief description which fairly clearly states they are not the only ones- 1st dragoons imply the existence of more - and the convenient date there shows they are 350 years late to invent the word. Any further investigation would only cement this.

Excalibur is both a sword and their hereditary weapon isn’t it?

[Boblawblah]

Yes, really. What does a gunbreaker do? "Breaks guns"? What immediate connection does that have to a gunblade, assuming you know what a gunblade even is?

We're used to it now as a term, and had it presented to us when we were already anticipating to hear what a gunblade user would be called. But to an outsider, it's opaque and suggests nothing. If you want to play concept association as loose as "two terms with the word gun in them" – neither of them being real words outside of a Final Fantqsy context – then prettymuch anything goes.

And yes, I am calling you out on sweeping aside the example that disproves your argument as simply "a stretch". What about the term "warrior" (or marauder before it) should unquestionably call "heavyweight axe-wielder" to mind over any other kind of warrior?

Here, let's make this very clear since you seem to be missing it: I think Warrior is a bad name for a job. The only reason it works and is easily identifiable is it's history in the Final Fantasy series, which is why it works. Viper doesn't have that luxury (and YES, that does matter).

Okay, now that we've hopefully passed that part, if they go with Viper, and choose to have nothing to do with poison/dots and is just the name of the organization of fighters without any more snake context, then yes, I'll stick with my assertion that it's a bad name. I'm still not convinced that there won't be some poison element involved, but I could be wrong.

[Iscah]

Here, let's make this very clear since you seem to be missing it: I think Warrior is a bad name for a job.

Yes, I do seem to have missed any previous indication that you thought warrior is a bad name. Perhaps you could have helped by actually mentioning that part.

[Kacho_Nacho]

*snip*. As I've said before, "viper" conjures up an idea of a quick-striking blade user, much more readily than those other names suggest anything specific in terms of fighting style or weapon.

I agree. It also brings up the image of poisonous attacks. If Viper turns out to be a melee job with several DoTs, count me in. Back when I played WoW *mumble* years ago, I greatly enjoyed playing an Unholy Death Knight.

This just feels like scraping for any reason to discredit the name. There is no reason why one discipline can't be named after an animal, nor any reason why others would also need to share the pattern before one is allowed to do so.

Nah, I'm just saying what my initial reaction to hearing the job was going to be called Viper. It sounds more like an individual or organization than a name of a job.

While you are correct there's no reason one discipline cannot be named after an animal, it does stick out from all the other names. That makes me wonder why that is.

[CKNovel]

Viper is named Viper because of its striking speed similar to the animal, long swords referencing its deadly teeth, its behavior of ambushing prey and attacking from dead angles and its lethality.
Poison is a possibility but not a garantee. We have enough to be satisfied with all the Viper references.

Is Captain Falcon able to fly?
Is Batman able to use echolocation?
Is Flash able to produce a Flash?
Is Solid Snake able to bite and poison its ennemies?

If those characters have no problem being named after animal or natural events, why would it be a problem for Viper?

[Darkobra]

Yes to Batman and have you ever SEEN Flash? Guy shoots lightning...

[Boblawblah]

Is Batman able to use echolocation?

You know, I've never once thought to myself "why is Batman called Batman?". Not sure why that is though, since he can't in fact use echolocation. He obviously has nothing to do with "bats" or "man".

[Kacho_Nacho]

Viper is named Viper because of its striking speed similar to the animal, long swords referencing its deadly teeth, its behavior of ambushing prey and attacking from dead angles and its lethality.
Poison is a possibility but not a garantee. We have enough to be satisfied with all the Viper references.

Is Captain Falcon able to fly?
Is Batman able to use echolocation?
Is Flash able to produce a Flash?
Is Solid Snake able to bite and poison its enemies?

If those characters have no problem being named after animal or natural events, why would it be a problem for Viper?

This is such a strange argument. None of the examples have anything to do with job/classes.

There are reaches, then there are reaches so far out there that even conspiracy theorists shake their heads at them.

[Lunaxia]

As I've said before, "viper" conjures up an idea of a quick-striking blade user, much more readily than those other names suggest anything specific in terms of fighting style or weapon.

To you, maybe. Not necessarily to other people. "Viper" offers nothing in terms of information about the actual job itself, and unlike other jobs it has no history in the franchise or in RPG classes in general to provide a reference point, nor anything about it that suggests what its weapon or function might be. The most you could do is theorise off the snake imagery, which is what people have been doing, but the issue with naming something after an animal is that it's a practice linked to organisations rather than actual jobs, and that means it could be anything.

This just feels like scraping for any reason to discredit the name. There is no reason why one discipline can't be named after an animal, nor any reason why others would also need to share the pattern before one is allowed to do so.

This feels more like you're offended people don't like the name. They can try something new, and they can name a class after an animal if they want, but people can also criticise that decision and find it a poor choice or inappropriate for the job. It's evident from the feedback that it's important for a lot of people that the name works as a functional moniker as well as a stylish one, and going with "Viper" here seems to be prioritising sounding cool over actually being a logical designation.