I really don’t know anymore….

[Renathras]

It's not about some sort of "gotcha!" moment. Imagine...

Except that's not what it is. And further, the desperation to make it that by some people (see Sebazy below) is evidence it's not some innocent ribbing or mild annoyance.

I "go off" on people for using hyperbole (which is usually me just saying "You're using hyperbole", hardly "tearing into them") because of how often it's used to wrongly bolst- why am I even having this discussion?

This is stupid.

I'm not going to keep entertaining this tangent that is a desperate attempt to sidetrack things. THIS is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

Yes. it is.

No, it's not. See above.

And the rest of your unhinged rant doesn't help your case.

I'M NOT TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT DOUBLE SCH WAS THE NORM. I'M SAYING THAT IT WAS A KNOWN STRAT AND DID SEE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF USE.

They why are you even disagreeing with me?

I said WoW figured this out a decade and a half ago. Is that not so?

I pointed out in ARR FFXIV worked pretty well for this. You have some examples of a few people using it for a single encounter. You seem to be contesting me saying that people did it late in the expansion with "Well, acksually..." they did it early, except you have one case of one fight and it not being any where near universal.

If your only issue was "pretty much no one" was "well, some groups here and there", then good god, consider my prior statement amended. But it doesn't change the point:

WoW and FFXIV both figured this out a hell of a long time ago, so there's no reason we can't now. Are you going to sit here, while shitting on me, and insist that what we have right now for healer and combat design is all FFXIV can manage in the year of our lord 2023?

Because my argument was that it can do better.

That is what you're contesting while trying to one-up me with "thumbing yourself", whatever the hell THAT means.

EDIT:

My point was obvious, and you decided to latch onto a minor aside and ignore LITERALLY the entire rest of my position - including the much more interesting and pertinent discussion about support - to try to one-up me with your quip about hyperbole and trying to prove me wrong as a scrub vs your oh-so-high-and-might-amazing-hardcore-raider-from-2.1-self when we arguably AGREE on the overall situation needing change and your attempted disproving not really panning out using even your own sources to show that people disagreed with your position/agreed with mine at the time.

It's like, instead of joining hands, you picked one thing to specifically drive a thorn in my side and twist it around out of sheer spite when we could otherwise find points of agreement.

Like...WHY?

All you need to say was "Well, I did see a few groups run SCH/SCH on Twintania, but you're largely right that ARR overall had a good balance between WHM and SCH that worked in most encounters and for most players. I agree that modern FFXIV could take a page from its own past as well as WoW to make more interesting healing."

Why didn't you just...I dunno, say THAT or something like it instead?