Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
like I said if we can sit here and hold tanks and dps accountable then we need to hold healers accountable too. No coddling. It is what it is.
I agree with this part. I personally have seen a few instances where people are tip-toeing around asking the healer to heal more even though it's actually needed. Like when we wiped to a small pull in a dungeon and the PLD apologises for not using Clemency. For this extreme, I've also had a party with 2 WHMs and we wipe to the stack beam because neither WHM wanted to do more than pop a couple Afflatus Raptures.

Honestly, if one good thing came out of old Cleric Stance in the ARR/HW era, it was that healers back then knew how to gauge incoming damage quite well.