IGN Brazil Asked Yoshida about 2 min meta

[Bonoki]

You're wrong. From my personal experience, this will lead to big toxic shift. I remember HW. And not with Rose-tinted glasses. I remember the rage and toxicity in PF, if you played MNK or PLD, you would get kicked and nobody wanted you. It was hell. People will take Meta, that other people discover, and force it upon throat of others. Happened in HW, in other MMO's etc. ''Gamers'' want the biggest odds for winning. And they're willing to throw other people under bus for that few % more dmg.

People are doing this already even while the game is already in its current dumbed down state. Red Mages probably feel this a lot when asked to go Summoner. People will always min/max for minimal gains so long as the gains allows for it in any stretch of the means. What's happening now is that SE is removing ALL and EVERY min/max opportunity to the point where you don't even have a choice anymore. It's also what competitive players are. They want biggest odds to be the best because they like to challenge themselves to be the best.

I'm not saying this is the best solution or answer but trying to turn everyone into equals is slowly and surely sapping all diversity, fun, and creativity out of the game while not really removing the toxic players. Toxic players will be toxic regardless of how the game is played.

[Nokuushi]

People are doing this already even while the game is already in its current dumbed down state. Red Mages probably feel this a lot when asked to go Summoner. People will always min/max for minimal gains so long as the gains allows for it in any stretch of the means. What's happening now is that SE is removing ALL and EVERY min/max opportunity to the point where you don't even have a choice anymore. It's also what competitive players are. They want biggest odds to be the best because they like to challenge themselves to be the best.

I'm not saying this is the best solution or answer but trying to turn everyone into equals is slowly and surely sapping all diversity, fun, and creativity out of the game while not really removing the toxic players. Toxic players will be toxic regardless of how the game is played.

They will rather remove min/maxing all together rather than do it. Sorry to say but people who you speak of are in vast minority. Those that sit and calculate best dps etc. We're going into age of equality of everything. At the end of the day FF14 is product. That product needs to generate money, and it's best to target big groups and majority of your consumers. Rather than Minority. It will always be that. You either accept it and live with it, or leave and find some other product. If they didn't changed the 2 min meta now, they sure as hell won't in the future.

[Bonoki]

They will rather remove min/maxing all together rather than do it. Sorry to say but people who you speak of are in vast minority. Those that sit and calculate best dps etc. We're going into age of equality of everything. At the end of the day FF14 is product. That product needs to generate money, and it's best to target big groups and majority of your consumers. Rather than Minority. It will always be that. You either accept it and live with it, or leave and find some other product. If they didn't changed the 2 min meta now, they sure as hell won't in the future.

This talk of minority and majority is futile and is a dumb strawman. There is so much to unpack with this statement that I just don't have the energy to even interact with it. Minorities and Majorities change ALL the time depending on the situation. In a lot of cases, minorities are listened to over the majority. Minorities and Majorities really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Also, if they don't change the 2min meta now, it doesn't mean they won't do it later. That is such a defeatist attitude. I'm willing to bet if it isn't changed for Dawntrail, that's because it's already to late to change it and that ship has already sailed in development. Sometimes that happens.

[Nokuushi]

This talk of minority and majority is futile and is a dumb strawman. There is so much to unpack with this statement that I just don't have the energy to even interact with it. Minorities and Majorities change ALL the time depending on the situation. In a lot of cases, minorities are listened to over the majority. Minorities and Majorities really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Also, if they don't change the 2min meta now, it doesn't mean they won't do it later. That is such a defeatist attitude. I'm willing to bet if it isn't changed for Dawntrail, that's because it's already to late to change it and that ship has already sailed in development. Sometimes that happens.

You're beyond hope. And have no idea what you're saying. Maybe go to sleep if you don't have the energy. It shows. I will laugh, when next xpac comes, and it won't change. But you sure will tell me next time it will happen! Such stupid and immature take. Childish even.

[Bonoki]

You're beyond hope. And have no idea what you're saying. Maybe go to sleep if you don't have the energy. It shows. I will laugh, when next xpac comes, and it won't change. But you sure will tell me next time it will happen! Such stupid and immature take. Childish even.

The hostility of your comments just took a drastic turn from 0 to 80. A couple posts ago you were talking about a toxic shift and ironically here is you being toxic towards me because we disagree. I won't stoop to your level though since you have revealed your true intentions of starting inflammatory debates.

[Turtledeluxe]

They will rather remove min/maxing all together rather than do it. Sorry to say but people who you speak of are in vast minority. Those that sit and calculate best dps etc. We're going into age of equality of everything. At the end of the day FF14 is product. That product needs to generate money, and it's best to target big groups and majority of your consumers. Rather than Minority. It will always be that. You either accept it and live with it, or leave and find some other product. If they didn't changed the 2 min meta now, they sure as hell won't in the future.

The two minute meta has existed for like one expansion and is very poorly received. Also XIV is generating less money and seeing subs drop off at a faster rate than ever.

If it wasn't poorly received the games influencers would all love it (they don't) and media wouldn't bother Yoshi P about it. IGN doesn't focus on fringe theories when addressing him.

[Volgia]

The two minute meta has existed for like one expansion and is very poorly received. Also XIV is generating less money and seeing subs drop off at a faster rate than ever.

If it wasn't poorly received the games influencers would all love it (they don't) and media wouldn't bother Yoshi P about it. IGN doesn't focus on fringe theories when addressing him.

Can I get a source of the drop in subs?

[StarRosie]

Can I get a source of the drop in subs?

Though, in all seriousness, they will probably quote you the one graph folks are tossing around to 'prove' XIV is dying. But it's also just the usual pre-expansion lull going on, combined with some folks leaving. I won't deny folks are quitting, but some folks unsub for a few months or till expansion launch to save money.

[Jeeqbit]

they will probably quote you the one graph folks are tossing around to 'prove' XIV is dying.

That graph showed veteran players were leaving (and we don't know if that is even permanent). This graph did not show how new and returning players are making up for the loss of veteran players, so overall, there is no decline. In fact, the latest Lucky Bancho statistics prior to the patch show that there was an overall increase in active players!

Generally revenue declining and data indicating players are not active combine to mean subscriptions are down.

Lucky Bancho is a pretty good source because they have themselves tested their own data against SE's when they have accidently slipped their subscription numbers. At one point, they estimated around 15% were alts and then as many as 20%. This was before data center travel, which reduced the need for alts. Even if the stats are inflated by 20%, the Lucky Bancho data has been pretty stable the entire expansion.

I would argue the game will likely not die come 7.0, it is just unlikely for this to happen then.

Correct. It takes a good 5-10 years for the decline slope to actually occur. This is especially the case for an MMORPG with over 20 million accounts, which is a pool where, even if hundreds of thousands of people quit, they will simply be replaced by some of those 20 million accounts who are returning players from years ago. We need to understand that no matter how burned out people get, those new and returning players ain't and they will keep the game alive for years regardless of how veterans feel.

That's why the stats have shown collector/veteran type players leaving, yet the new and returning players mask this completely. What are the chances many of those veterans will eventually return like they kept doing with WoW? Pretty high, let's be honest.

[Turtledeluxe]

Can I get a source of the drop in subs?

Generally revenue declining and data indicating players are not active combine to mean subscriptions are down. Unless you want to say the MMO part of SE is down due to people not spending in the shop which is an lol argument you can have, I don't really care. The truth is no you won't see a source because even if SE straight up said it you'd find some excuse.

Additionally you can other insights such as Steam, Twitch to see engagement is down. Some part of this is post pandemic effect but the point is that EW is failing to keep people.engaged.