Zero: Trans or Lesbian, or Both?

[Davixxa]

What happens in other video games has zero barring on what happens in FFXIV. Different universe, different situations filled with fan service. Take things with grains of salt until officially confirmed

Sure as hell has a lot of bearing when you have a raid series that goes out of its way at multiple points to give direct callbacks to recreate story beats from the original. In any case, it isn't headcanon - it is called basic media literacy. This is as blatant as it gets without outright saying it.

"Ah yes, this raid series is retelling a love story, but instead of a guy and a girl, they're now two girls. Never mind the fact that the original is a love story, we're showcasing the characters holding hands in literally the key artwork for the culmination patch, we recreate a scene specifically dedicated to the main character of the original being lost and finding their way through their lover caring, and we even go as far as to recreate subtle touches with the animation. We also placed a rainbow crystal in there, wonder what relevance that has in modern culture? Eh, must just be friends."

Never mind the fact that this game is no stranger to introducing queer characters. They're just not as in the limelight as this. There is an entire trope about very, very obviously lesbian couples being reduced to "just being friends" in media - and you are perpetuating it. It is genuinely tiring.

[Bonoki]

Sure as hell has a lot of bearing when you have a raid series that goes out of its way at multiple points to give direct callbacks to recreate story beats from the original. In any case, it isn't headcanon - it is called basic media literacy. This is as blatant as it gets without outright saying it.

"Ah yes, this raid series is retelling a love story, but instead of a guy and a girl, they're now two girls. Never mind the fact that the original is a love story, we're showcasing the characters holding hands in literally the key artwork for the culmination patch, we recreate a scene specifically dedicated to the main character of the original being lost and finding their way through their lover caring, and we even go as far as to recreate subtle touches with the animation. We also placed a rainbow crystal in there, wonder what relevance that has in modern culture? Eh, must just be friends."

Never mind the fact that this game is no stranger to introducing queer characters. They're just not as in the limelight as this. There is an entire trope about very, very obviously lesbian couples being reduced to "just being friends" in media - and you are perpetuating it. It is genuinely tiring.

The only genuine tiring thing is that you can't accept its head canon.

[Davixxa]

The only genuine tiring thing is that you can't accept its head canon.

No. It is basic media literacy. It is not my fault you're incapable of understanding basic subtext. Especially basic subtext in a game where Sappho, the person that is the literal reason the word "lesbian" means "women attracted to women" in English, canonically exists.

[Bonoki]

No. It is basic media literacy. It is not my fault you're incapable of understanding basic subtext. Especially basic subtext in a game where Sappho, the person that is the literal reason the word "lesbian" means "women attracted to women" in English, canonically exists.

You're getting way to overly defensive over a head canon. You should probably chill from the forums since you are starting to become passive aggressive about it.

[Davixxa]

You're getting way to overly defensive over a head canon. You should probably chill from the forums since you are starting to become passive aggressive about it.

No passive aggressiveness here. I'm just being plain and stating the obvious to anyone with a high school education. I see you're on Balmung. Do American schools not teach basic intertextuality and symbolism and literature analysis?

Because genuinely, the answer is screaming you right in the face, and you're choosing to put a blind eye to it.

If it is "just a headcanon", then please answer the following:


* Why is the Crystal in the Empty rainbow-coloured rather than blue with a white tint on the bottom like every other Aetheryte crystal on the First?

* Why did they recreate the Squall and Rinoa cutscene down to the individual head movements in combination with camera angles, not to mention transitions? Down to the way Gaia and Squall falters? Down to the angle that Squall/Gaia sees Rinoa/Ryne?

Again, Final Fantasy 8 is a love story. This cutscene, in the original has a romantic overtone. They chose to recreate this in extreme detail. That is not an accident. And to pretend that this also doesn't make the FFXIV version have a romantic overtone is to spit in the face of not only Final Fantasy as a series, but all story writers and artists in general.

[Bonoki]

No passive aggressiveness here. I'm just being plain and stating the obvious to anyone with a high school education. I see you're on Balmung. Do American schools not teach basic intertextuality and symbolism and literature analysis?

You are being literally passive aggressive here in this exact sentence, yet want to insult my "intelligence level" while failing to realize how hypocritical you are being? lol
This is way past debate now. You're just simply being rude and a jerk at this point because others don't agree with you.

[Davixxa]

You are being literally passive aggressive here in this exact sentence, yet want to insult my "intelligence level" while failing to realize how hypocritical you are being? lol
This is way past debate now. You're just simply being rude and a jerk at this point because others don't agree with you.

No. I'm asking a honest, serious question here. Because that is genuinely the only way I could fathom someone not seeing what is plainly obvious to anyone that are actually taught those skills.

Still waiting for the answers to my other questions, by the way. Because these need a different explanation, if they're not examples of symbolism and intertextuality.

[Remish]

No passive aggressiveness here. I'm just being plain and stating the obvious to anyone with a high school education. I see you're on Balmung. Do American schools not teach basic intertextuality and symbolism and literature analysis?

How does Balmung = American? You do realize that Canada is apart of NA as well right? Guess all EU Balmung players are automatically American now.

[Krokov]

No passive aggressiveness here. I'm just being plain and stating the obvious to anyone with a high school education. I see you're on Balmung. Do American schools not teach basic intertextuality and symbolism and literature analysis?

Because genuinely, the answer is screaming you right in the face, and you're choosing to put a blind eye to it.

If it is "just a headcanon", then please answer the following:


* Why is the Crystal in the Empty rainbow-coloured rather than blue with a white tint on the bottom like every other Aetheryte crystal on the First?

* Why did they recreate the Squall and Rinoa cutscene down to the individual head movements in combination with camera angles, not to mention transitions? Down to the way Gaia and Squall falters? Down to the angle that Squall/Gaia sees Rinoa/Ryne?

Again, Final Fantasy 8 is a love story. This cutscene, in the original has a romantic overtone. They chose to recreate this in extreme detail. That is not an accident. And to pretend that this also doesn't make the FFXIV version have a romantic overtone is to spit in the face of not only Final Fantasy as a series, but all story writers and artists in general.

Why is the Crystal multicolored? Because the colors represent the elements that you were bringing back to the Empty. (Earth, Fire, Wind/Air, Water, Thunder, Ice)

[Davixxa]

Why is the Crystal multicolored? Because the colors represent the elements that you were bringing back to the Empty. (Earth, Fire, Wind/Air, Water, Thunder, Ice)

See, that's a great explanation that unfortunately does fall flat when you think about it.

Earth, Fire, Wind/Air, Water, Thunder and Ice is literally every single element, plus Shiva also being Light, and The Cloud of Darkness being Dark.

So that's the entirety of the elemental wheel, in which case, it should be Neutral (or a little skewed towards Light, given that we're on the First), and should be blue like every other Aetheryte in the game at that point.

EDIT: Clarity and wanting to direct this back into a more civil and calm debate.