Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[VerdeLuck]

Except Comedy doesn't fill the same niche for non-Savage raiders. For most players, it's the best gear they're going to get so it goes to their main job. They're still going to need the Causality to get gear for their other jobs if they don't have or don't want to spend the gil in crafted gear.

Again, your mileage is going to vary depending on how you play the game. SE decides who they want to get the weapons and they've decided that it should be as many as possible instead of just those with excess time on their hands for long grinds.

Should there be some sort of long grind content added each expansion for those with the time on their hands? Yes.

Does it have to be the relic weapons? No.

You may not be enjoying the relic questline this expansion but other players are. If participation makes this the most successful relic series in the game's history to date, SE is not going to ignore that going into Dawntrail even if the vocal few think that it's the wrong choice. It's still a for-profit product. They're going to do what they feel is in the best interest of making profits.

Is their vision muddled? I can't answer that because I don't think they've clearly shared what their current vision for the game is with the player base. The last thing we heard was they want to shed the MMORPG image of the game and make it known as a RPG that can be played solo or with friends.

Most likely they have a clear vision but the player concept of the vision is muddled because they're not sharing the entire picture with us.

Just wait for them to get tired of this, this is the issue du jour on the forums right now.
A few weeks ago it was Eureka and pretending like the reception to un-nerfed Eureka wasn't overwhelmingly negative.
Then It was "Streamer said game is dying are we in trouble?", now it's relics, just wait for the MMO boomers to watch a new opinion video and find a new fight to yell on the forums about how "It used to be better, now it's so bad and everything is too easy to get, these kids today".
My personal guess is we're going to see "The jobs are too dumbed down, we need more moments of glory" and then it'll be just repeating that Lynx Kameli video ad nauseum and doggpiling/misrepresenting the posts of anyone who disagrees.

[Stormpeaks]

Just wait for them to get tired of this, this is the issue du jour on the forums right now.
A few weeks ago it was Eureka and pretending like the reception to un-nerfed Eureka wasn't overwhelmingly negative.
Then It was "Streamer said game is dying are we in trouble?", now it's relics, just wait for the MMO boomers to watch a new opinion video and find a new fight to yell on the forums about how "It used to be better, now it's so bad and everything is too easy to get, these kids today".
My personal guess is we're going to see "The jobs are too dumbed down, we need more moments of glory" and then it'll be just repeating that Lynx Kameli video ad nauseum and doggpiling/misrepresenting the posts of anyone who disagrees.

What a cool person you are, just saying that all and any complaints are invalid

You sure as hell are defending this company well, go at it champ ! You're doing great !

[EgilTheStressedMage]

What a cool person you are, just saying that all and any complaints are invalid

You sure as hell are defending this company well, go at it champ ! You're doing great !

If they healed as hard as they defended SE I’d be at around seventy five clears of EX7 by now.

[VerdeLuck]

What a cool person you are, just saying that all and any complaints are invalid

You sure as hell are defending this company well, go at it champ ! You're doing great !

It's crazy how you keep reading things into my posts I don't even put in there.
I'd reccomend learning to read english before coming to the english forums btw.

[OdinelStarrei]

Just wait for them to get tired of this, this is the issue du jour on the forums right now.
A few weeks ago it was Eureka and pretending like the reception to un-nerfed Eureka wasn't overwhelmingly negative.
Then It was "Streamer said game is dying are we in trouble?", now it's relics, just wait for the MMO boomers to watch a new opinion video and find a new fight to yell on the forums about how "It used to be better, now it's so bad and everything is too easy to get, these kids today".
My personal guess is we're going to see "The jobs are too dumbed down, we need more moments of glory" and then it'll be just repeating that Lynx Kameli video ad nauseum and doggpiling/misrepresenting the posts of anyone who disagrees.

Isn't this just a bit disingenuous?

Can't people just naturally have complaints about things without it being an avalanche of lemmings following someone else? Are insults really needed?

No one told me to hate the current state of jobs, or that there was no exploration content. Unless you count SE by making those decisions, I guess. It reflected in my playtime ever since the MSQ was finished each patch.

Anyone who says the game's overall population is dying is really off-base, which is why it's really great that few people are saying that without context when you actually have a conversation with people instead of constructing strawmen to burn down. Certain subsections of the playerbase are dying and dynamics are shifting, which is expected in the grand scheme, it just sucks for those people who feel they are being left behind by either the company, or their friends, depending on myriad circumstances. But the general health of the game is fine for most, with the scale becoming more positive the less invested one is, as is typical with a live service game.

For someone who is calling out "misrepresentation" you seem quite willing to paint with some divisive, broad brushes, no?

[Nebelheim]

Just wait for them to get tired of this, this is the issue du jour on the forums right now.
A few weeks ago it was Eureka and pretending like the reception to un-nerfed Eureka wasn't overwhelmingly negative.
Then It was "Streamer said game is dying are we in trouble?", now it's relics, just wait for the MMO boomers to watch a new opinion video and find a new fight to yell on the forums about how "It used to be better, now it's so bad and everything is too easy to get, these kids today".
My personal guess is we're going to see "The jobs are too dumbed down, we need more moments of glory" and then it'll be just repeating that Lynx Kameli video ad nauseum and doggpiling/misrepresenting the posts of anyone who disagrees.

Now complaints are invalid and people aren't allowed to complain and should just leave the game. I guess we shouldn't ask for a grind or for job complexity to come back. Or that our complaints are copies of streamers or that we are parroting there opinions because we don't think for ourselves or share similar complaints to certain streamers. People are allowed to complain and it's because we still love the game were not complaining for the sake of complaining or parroting streamers/youtubers. You also probably shouldn't be insulting people for "not understanding English" if you want people to have respectful arguments/debates with you.