Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[VerdeLuck]

It was never casual to begin with though? The steps themselves may not have been hard to do, but it still took a committed effort to complete. THIS relic is casual.

An earned rewards and sense of achievement is a pretty standard thing in any game? Do you honestly think it's normal and ok, that you can obtain your next step in a relic, within moments of the patch dropping? You unlock the quest, you buy the 3 items with your already capped Causalities. Is that really great design?

The relics have always been casual, there is no way you can look at me with a straight face and say that doing fate spam is not casual. It's always been casual.
I think this might be the problem here, people who are convinced they aren't casuals are hyping up the old relics as if they were somehow elite to finish them or the relic gatekept people from completing. They didn't. It was an annoyance but it was still casual content.

[VerdeLuck]

To me. It means nothing to me. You don't have to care that I think that way. That's the joy of something called opinions.

Pick your own means of getting them if you wish, we shouldn't have entire form of content we enjoy deleted because of it. I have already stated numerous times on these godsforsaken forums that I'm an advocate for branching paths.

Me and many others find absolutely 0 satisfaction in being able to get our relics on launch because they're glorified tome weapons, easier to obtain than what's actually labeled "tome gear weapons".

If there was a tome choice you would still bitch on the forums because you are locked into the mindset of taking the path of least resistance. Nothing says you need to do roulete spam and hunt trains to get these tomes, You just choose to do them in ways you find boring because they're fast.
In the hypothetical where both a Eureka-like grind existed and you could also get relics for 1500 tomes you would still avoid the grind and take the tome option.

Because it's not that you want a grind, you don't want other people to have another options that don't involve your content of choice.

[Zairava]

If there was a tome choice you would still bitch on the forums because you are locked into the mindset of taking the path of least resistance. Nothing says you need to do roulete spam and hunt trains to get these tomes, You just choose to do them in ways you find boring because they're fast.
In the hypothetical where both a Eureka-like grind existed and you could also get relics for 1500 tomes you would still avoid the grind and take the tome option.

Because it's not that you want a grind...

We don't even have the bloody OPTION to get them in any other capacity than tomes.

What I could ACTUALLY do is do the grind option and get other relics with tomes for jobs I barely play on the side. Because then I have the OPTION to get it more than one way.

I want something that needs grinding, the current tome weapon does not need grinding.

you don't want other people to have another options that don't involve your content of choice

Maybe if I say it in bigger text you'll actually read it.

I am an advocate for branching paths. Which includes tome acquisition for the people who prefer it.

[VerdeLuck]

We don't even have the bloody OPTION to get them in any other capacity than tomes.

What I could ACTUALLY do is do the grind option and get other relics with tomes for jobs I barely play on the side. Because then I have the OPTION to get it more than one way.

I want something that needs grinding, the current tome weapon does not need grinding.



Maybe if I say it in bigger text you'll actually read it.

I am an advocate for branching paths

You do have the option to run whatever you want to get these. You have nothing but options. If you want to run anything level 90 it will give you progress towards the relics. Saying it's about options is silly.
The only way your argument can make sense here is if you're somehow actually upset about having options and want a forced long grind instead.

[ChrysOCE]

The relics have always been casual, there is no way you can look at me with a straight face and say that doing fate spam is not casual. It's always been casual.
I think this might be the problem here, people who are convinced they aren't casuals are hyping up the old relics as if they were somehow elite to finish them or the relic gatekept people from completing. They didn't. It was an annoyance but it was still casual content.

Where did I ever say relics where hard? They took time to acquire and you couldn't obtain one within minutes of a patch releasing.

You seem to have this idea that the people that want relics to return, want to gatekeep anyone from getting a relic. I don't care how many people have a relic. Keep throwing that up as some kind of boogeyman and missing the point completely.

[VerdeLuck]

Where did I ever say relics where hard? They took time to acquire and you couldn't obtain one within minutes of a patch releasing.

You seem to have this idea that the people that want relics to return, want to gatekeep anyone from getting a relic. I don't care how many people have a relic. Keep throwing that up as some kind of boogeyman and missing the point completely.

It's not a boogeyman, it's what you keep saying over and over again.
"It means nothing now", "These used to mean something". This only gets used in MMOs as a way to try to complain something doesn't gtekeep hard enough. "[Weapon] used to mean something, now everyone has it", "Beating UWU used to mean something now everyone has Ultimate Legend".
No one is making you hoard tomes to get a relic weapon as soon as a patch drops. You are doing something because it is the shortest path available and then getting mad at the devs when you don't feel rewarded for doing the shortest path available.

Don't do it then? Seems like a you problem to be honest. Only the officials could find an issue where the game has a super open ended path to earning a relic, and then complain about it not being restrictive enough by forcing you into content.

[Zairava]

You do have the option to run whatever you want to get these. You have nothing but options. If you want to run anything level 90 it will give you progress towards the relics. Saying it's about options is silly.
The only way your argument can make sense here is if you're somehow actually upset about having options and want a forced long grind instead.

I know there's options, and your latter statement is only half-right.

I'm not upset about there being options, I've already done those paths for multiple relics. (pvp, hunt trains, etc). However, you are current in me wanting a grind I HAVE to do instead (a la field zone and/or open world methods). I'm an mmo player who loves large-scale content due to the social nature of MMO's, relics served as a conduit in field zones and fates for everyone to get them that way, but that is not here this expansion. I liked feeling the achievement of getting them on top of being able to repeatedly go back into said content for more for X or Y reason. I need goals without shortcuts.

[P0sitr0nic]

Do you honestly think it's normal and ok, that you can obtain your next step in a relic, within moments of the patch dropping? You unlock the quest, you buy the 3 items with your already capped Causalities. Is that really great design?

Actually if youve played enough to cap, then yeah. Its fair.

[Nebelheim]

It's not a boogeyman, it's what you keep saying over and over again.
"It means nothing now", "These used to mean something". This only gets used in MMOs as a way to try to complain something doesn't gtekeep hard enough. "[Weapon] used to mean something, now everyone has it", "Beating UWU used to mean something now everyone has Ultimate Legend".
No one is making you hoard tomes to get a relic weapon as soon as a patch drops. You are doing something because it is the shortest path available and then getting mad at the devs when you don't feel rewarded for doing the shortest path available.

Don't do it then? Seems like a you problem to be honest. Only the officials could find an issue where the game has a super open ended path to earning a relic, and then complain about it not being restrictive enough by forcing you into content.

Could also tell the people who don't want a grind to not do it as well considering no one needed or had to have a relic in the past. The past relics had branching paths and different ways to finish certain steps.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The relics have always been casual, there is no way you can look at me with a straight face and say that doing fate spam is not casual. It's always been casual.[…]

Zodiac Zeta & Anima weapons on patch would like to have a word with you lmao.