Please fix Felicitous Hood Au Ra horn clipping!

[Iscah]

remember what they took from us

The "feral demon Au Ra" is literally one odd-one-out concept sketch amid a page full of the cutesy girls we actually got. It doesn't represent the wild swing from concept to finalised art that people try to present it as.

I'm not saying I wouldn't have preferred the alternative, but the current approach was always there.

[Lusarae]

Please just give me hats. With or without clipping. I'll just pretend the ears have holes or something.

[Caro178]

The "feral demon Au Ra" is literally one odd-one-out concept sketch amid a page full of the cutesy girls we actually got. It doesn't represent the wild swing from concept to finalised art that people try to present it as.

I'm not saying I wouldn't have preferred the alternative, but the current approach was always there.

Not to mention the first art they shared is incredibly similar to the au ra we ended up getting. Even the hairstyle and horn shape. Female au ra have a pretty unique niche as the delicate, demure ladies of the XIV races with the large and proud males as a contrast. The second example is far off, but still recognizable in a few of the sketches - particularly the club-shaped ears in the lower middle. Can't wait until we get the female Hrothgar final designs and have to sift through folks complaining about how the concept art was better because it included claws and digitigrade feet or something, two things XIV can't adapt without entering a new Viera/Hrothgar situation with hand and foot gear this time.

To refer to the subject of this thread, yeah, the clipping is pretty atrocious for au ra this time around - especially the fish-horned face. Unfortunately I just can't see them fixing something like this. It's just part of playing an Au ra character. Bangs and hoods often clip with au ra horns.

[ronibosch]

At this point, they should just remove the horns from beneath the hood like they remove Hroth/Miqo/Viera ears.

Not ideal, but I can't imagine what else they could do to fix it.

But long hair clipping is a sin apparently in the eyes of the devs.

My bunny ears already clip through my axe, SE. Just gimme the Ysayle hair already. ;-;

[Poporito_Popoto]

Why would anyone want to hide their head anyways? Free the hair!

[Caro178]

At this point, they should just remove the horns from beneath the hood like they remove Hroth/Miqo/Viera ears.

Not ideal, but I can't imagine what else they could do to fix it.


My bunny ears already clip through my axe, SE. Just gimme the Ysayle hair already. ;-;

I'm going to guess there is some reason they don't just remove the horns in these cases. Maybe it's more complicated and/or they haven't done the necessary work to facilitate covering horns beneath headgear. Au ra horns always just clip directly through which has been among the sorest points of criticism for the dev's insistence throughout 5.0 that Viera simply can't equip the same headgear as everyone else.

[Iscah]

At this point, they should just remove the horns from beneath the hood like they remove Hroth/Miqo/Viera ears.

Not ideal, but I can't imagine what else they could do to fix it.

Personally... well, it's rather hypothetical in this case because my Au Ra would probably never wear that particular piece, but if he did then I would hate it if his horns completely vanished. They're not going to fit inside it, and they're solid parts of his head that can't just be tucked away out of sight.

The current clipping doesn't look good either, but "just hide the horns" isn't an approach I want them to start taking. It's already frustrating enough that Miqo'te ears get treated so badly with hats.

Unfortunately, the best solution would require a time machine and creative control at SE: at the design stage, Au Ra simply should not have had different horn shapes, just a single consistent placement that could then be worked around with headpieces incorporating them. The customisation setting could have instead been used for a choice of horn ornaments or scale patterns or something.

[CamuiKushi]

I really wish the devs would just turn off ears for all head-obscuring gear or make it a toggle command or something. It would immediately solve the Hrothgar/Viera problem and the few other pieces of gear that clip for other races. I literally don't care that it makes no physical sense, I just want to wear hats.

[ronibosch]

I'm going to guess there is some reason they don't just remove the horns in these cases. Maybe it's more complicated and/or they haven't done the necessary work to facilitate covering horns beneath headgear. Au ra horns always just clip directly through which has been among the sorest points of criticism for the dev's insistence throughout 5.0 that Viera simply can't equip the same headgear as everyone else.

I wonder if it's the placement of their horns. That could cause unique complications. And you're right: if Au Ra horns clip with everything, then why can't they just let Viera ears clip through (most of) the hats and helmets?

Personally... well, it's rather hypothetical in this case because my Au Ra would probably never wear that particular piece, but if he did then I would hate it if his horns completely vanished. They're not going to fit inside it, and they're solid parts of his head that can't just be tucked away out of sight.

The current clipping doesn't look good either, but "just hide the horns" isn't an approach I want them to start taking. It's already frustrating enough that Miqo'te ears get treated so badly with hats.

Unfortunately, the best solution would require a time machine and creative control at SE: at the design stage, Au Ra simply should not have had different horn shapes, just a single consistent placement that could then be worked around with headpieces incorporating them. The customisation setting could have instead been used for a choice of horn ornaments or scale patterns or something.

Oof. Yeah, that wouldn't be great, removing their unique race parts. I guess this is just a glam option that will be an unfortunate choice for Au Ra (unless you're cool with the strange clipping). It would be super ambitious of the team to give Au Ra unique "horn socks" that match the faces' respective horns, but I know that would take too much time and resources that they'd rather use for other things.

Quality has really gone down, lately, imo. If they don't want to give Miqo'te the ARR treatment with the ear socks, then couldn't they at least let their ears clip? It would have been cute with the street attire hat (but I'm assuming the hat rises too high for it to look natural...?).

[Iscah]

Oof. Yeah, that wouldn't be great, removing their unique race parts. I guess this is just a glam option that will be an unfortunate choice for Au Ra (unless you're cool with the strange clipping). It would be super ambitious of the team to give Au Ra unique "horn socks" that match the faces' respective horns, but I know that would take too much time and resources that they'd rather use for other things.

Quality has really gone down, lately, imo. If they don't want to give Miqo'te the ARR treatment with the ear socks, then couldn't they at least let their ears clip? It would have been cute with the street attire hat (but I'm assuming the hat rises too high for it to look natural...?).

I suspect it's not even "overambitious" to have unique versions per horn model, so much as the system isn't even set up to handle it. I assume gear has one model per race-gender model and can't even adjust position per face, leading to oddities like how far out circlets sit particularly on Hrothgar where the heads are different shapes.

But yeah, I don't understand why they don't just have Miqo'te ears visible outside hats more, given that they already have the technology and have used it in the past. It looks cute and avoids the perennial issue that ear socks (where present) rarely actually match their ear shape/size/position.