Please fix Felicitous Hood Au Ra horn clipping!

[ronibosch]

At this point, they should just remove the horns from beneath the hood like they remove Hroth/Miqo/Viera ears.

Not ideal, but I can't imagine what else they could do to fix it.

But long hair clipping is a sin apparently in the eyes of the devs.

My bunny ears already clip through my axe, SE. Just gimme the Ysayle hair already. ;-;

[Caro178]

At this point, they should just remove the horns from beneath the hood like they remove Hroth/Miqo/Viera ears.

Not ideal, but I can't imagine what else they could do to fix it.


My bunny ears already clip through my axe, SE. Just gimme the Ysayle hair already. ;-;

I'm going to guess there is some reason they don't just remove the horns in these cases. Maybe it's more complicated and/or they haven't done the necessary work to facilitate covering horns beneath headgear. Au ra horns always just clip directly through which has been among the sorest points of criticism for the dev's insistence throughout 5.0 that Viera simply can't equip the same headgear as everyone else.

[Iscah]

At this point, they should just remove the horns from beneath the hood like they remove Hroth/Miqo/Viera ears.

Not ideal, but I can't imagine what else they could do to fix it.

Personally... well, it's rather hypothetical in this case because my Au Ra would probably never wear that particular piece, but if he did then I would hate it if his horns completely vanished. They're not going to fit inside it, and they're solid parts of his head that can't just be tucked away out of sight.

The current clipping doesn't look good either, but "just hide the horns" isn't an approach I want them to start taking. It's already frustrating enough that Miqo'te ears get treated so badly with hats.

Unfortunately, the best solution would require a time machine and creative control at SE: at the design stage, Au Ra simply should not have had different horn shapes, just a single consistent placement that could then be worked around with headpieces incorporating them. The customisation setting could have instead been used for a choice of horn ornaments or scale patterns or something.

[ronibosch]

I'm going to guess there is some reason they don't just remove the horns in these cases. Maybe it's more complicated and/or they haven't done the necessary work to facilitate covering horns beneath headgear. Au ra horns always just clip directly through which has been among the sorest points of criticism for the dev's insistence throughout 5.0 that Viera simply can't equip the same headgear as everyone else.

I wonder if it's the placement of their horns. That could cause unique complications. And you're right: if Au Ra horns clip with everything, then why can't they just let Viera ears clip through (most of) the hats and helmets?

Personally... well, it's rather hypothetical in this case because my Au Ra would probably never wear that particular piece, but if he did then I would hate it if his horns completely vanished. They're not going to fit inside it, and they're solid parts of his head that can't just be tucked away out of sight.

The current clipping doesn't look good either, but "just hide the horns" isn't an approach I want them to start taking. It's already frustrating enough that Miqo'te ears get treated so badly with hats.

Unfortunately, the best solution would require a time machine and creative control at SE: at the design stage, Au Ra simply should not have had different horn shapes, just a single consistent placement that could then be worked around with headpieces incorporating them. The customisation setting could have instead been used for a choice of horn ornaments or scale patterns or something.

Oof. Yeah, that wouldn't be great, removing their unique race parts. I guess this is just a glam option that will be an unfortunate choice for Au Ra (unless you're cool with the strange clipping). It would be super ambitious of the team to give Au Ra unique "horn socks" that match the faces' respective horns, but I know that would take too much time and resources that they'd rather use for other things.

Quality has really gone down, lately, imo. If they don't want to give Miqo'te the ARR treatment with the ear socks, then couldn't they at least let their ears clip? It would have been cute with the street attire hat (but I'm assuming the hat rises too high for it to look natural...?).

[Iscah]

Oof. Yeah, that wouldn't be great, removing their unique race parts. I guess this is just a glam option that will be an unfortunate choice for Au Ra (unless you're cool with the strange clipping). It would be super ambitious of the team to give Au Ra unique "horn socks" that match the faces' respective horns, but I know that would take too much time and resources that they'd rather use for other things.

Quality has really gone down, lately, imo. If they don't want to give Miqo'te the ARR treatment with the ear socks, then couldn't they at least let their ears clip? It would have been cute with the street attire hat (but I'm assuming the hat rises too high for it to look natural...?).

I suspect it's not even "overambitious" to have unique versions per horn model, so much as the system isn't even set up to handle it. I assume gear has one model per race-gender model and can't even adjust position per face, leading to oddities like how far out circlets sit particularly on Hrothgar where the heads are different shapes.

But yeah, I don't understand why they don't just have Miqo'te ears visible outside hats more, given that they already have the technology and have used it in the past. It looks cute and avoids the perennial issue that ear socks (where present) rarely actually match their ear shape/size/position.

[Iscah]

I really wish the devs would just turn off ears for all head-obscuring gear or make it a toggle command or something. It would immediately solve the Hrothgar/Viera problem and the few other pieces of gear that clip for other races. I literally don't care that it makes no physical sense, I just want to wear hats.

If my Viera had to lose his ears to wear hats, then I don't want him to wear hats anyway. I already avoid a lot of hats on Miqo'te because they delete ears or handle them badly.

In any case...

I wonder if it's the placement of their horns. That could cause unique complications. And you're right: if Au Ra horns clip with everything, then why can't they just let Viera ears clip through (most of) the hats and helmets?

The problem isn't just ears, but hairstyles. For whatever reason – maybe because they originally planned no hats, or maybe some more obscure technical reason – they built Viera hairstyles so they can't "break in half" and hide only the top part, as usually happens when a character has a hat equipped. They can only wear headgear if all or none of the hair is visible, and the ears have nothing directly to do with it.

It's why they're able to wear things like hoods, and why what does and doesn't work is so patchy. They can wear the level 90 reaper hat (bindings cover the hair underneath) but not the level 90 red mage hat, or can wear the hoods from the Rinascita gear series but not the berets.

[ronibosch]

The problem isn't just ears, but hairstyles. For whatever reason – maybe because they originally planned no hats, or maybe some more obscure technical reason – they built Viera hairstyles so they can't "break in half" and hide only the top part, as usually happens when a character has a hat equipped. They can only wear headgear if all or none of the hair is visible, and the ears have nothing directly to do with it.

It's why they're able to wear things like hoods, and why what does and doesn't work is so patchy. They can wear the level 90 reaper hat (bindings cover the hair underneath) but not the level 90 red mage hat, or can wear the hoods from the Rinascita gear series but not the berets.

My sources may be incorrect or suffer from the grapevine or lost in translation effects, but didn't they promise exclusive hairstyles for Viera (and, to an extent, Hrothgar) at first? I wonder if that's why they developed the hair the way they did.

Hopefully, they're able to fix it somehow.

[Caro178]

My sources may be incorrect or suffer from the grapevine or lost in translation effects, but didn't they promise exclusive hairstyles for Viera (and, to an extent, Hrothgar) at first? I wonder if that's why they developed the hair the way they did.

Hopefully, they're able to fix it somehow.

The more skeptical will say he lied, but YoshiP has clarified a few times that the interview where he supposedly said Viera and Hrothgar would get more exclusive-to-them hairstyles was mistranslated. Which, yeah, mistranslation actually happens all the time. Whether he actually said it or not it's pretty clear at this point that it's not happening. Ultimately the reality is players wanted the hairstyles everybody else could obtain as rewards through grindable content or the online shop. They did not actually want hypothetical exclusive hairstyles because not having the same stuff everybody else does sucks. The solution to just give them all the normal default and unlockable hairstyles was the better one in my opinion and is what will probably lead to hats being addressed as well... one day. Like the other poster here said the problem with headgear is actually tied to hairstyles, not how easy it is to shove a pair of ears through the top of a hat.

[ronibosch]

The more skeptical will say he lied, but YoshiP has clarified a few times that the interview where he supposedly said Viera and Hrothgar would get more exclusive-to-them hairstyles was mistranslated. Which, yeah, mistranslation actually happens all the time. Whether he actually said it or not it's pretty clear at this point that it's not happening. Ultimately the reality is players wanted the hairstyles everybody else could obtain as rewards through grindable content or the online shop. They did not actually want hypothetical exclusive hairstyles because not having the same stuff everybody else does sucks. The solution to just give them all the normal default and unlockable hairstyles was the better one in my opinion and is what will probably lead to hats being addressed as well... one day. Like the other poster here said the problem with headgear is actually tied to hairstyles, not how easy it is to shove a pair of ears through the top of a hat.

Yeah, honestly I'm cool with the shared hairstyles. Like you said, hopefully it leads to hats sometime in the future. It's just those exclusive Viera (and Hrothgar?) hairstyles that need fixing!

In the meantime, I'll keep working around the restrictions. ;-;