Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Stormpeaks]

Not immediately chasing the shortest path through all content when given a choice is akin to not using gear you already have?
This is absolutely ridiculous, you seriously can't be this bad reading that this is what you took away from my post right?

You are literally missing the point of what I am saying, you are telling people to make it difficult for themselves for absolutely 0 reason, it just makes absolutely no sense, it just doesnt, you can try and convince yourself that it does, it does not.

[VerdeLuck]

It doesn't make sense to tell people to have fun and do what's more fun instead of what's the shortest grind?
Everything contributes to the relic in this situation, you can do anything you want to progress it so why wouldn't you?

[ChrysOCE]

You are literally missing the point of what I am saying, you are telling people to make it difficult for themselves for absolutely 0 reason, it just makes absolutely no sense, it just doesnt, you can try and convince yourself that it does, it does not.

It is an absolute waste of time trying to explain. They have this perception that we only want a grind to gatekeep others from having something.

It doesn't have to be exploratory zones (god forbid we have another zone where you would have to actually interact with other people) and it doesn't have to be FATES (though, I would argue that incentivizing people to be out in the world and doing FATES together as a shared thing, would be good for the community). Nah, lets just all cap our Causality well before patch and then just hand it in on patch day for the next step in the relic. So good. So peak.

[Mikey_R]

the difference in how the relics are obtained is based entirely on how you spend you time. For the Manderville weapons, you do not need to specifically grind anything, you can do your normal daily things, or maybe dip your toes in here or there, doesn't matter, most content gives tomes, so you will get a weapon at some point. It is a weapon that is essentially along for the ride.

For past relics, you had to specifically go out of your way to progress the weapon. You had to make a conscious decision to spend your time in progressing the relic where the relic might not necessarily progress at all. It is this aspect that made it more like an achievement. You have had to spend your time specifically for this weapon and, once you have the weapon, you feel good, all that time you spent has finally paid off.

So, the difference is managing your time and what you want to do. You might not have time today to complete all the roulettes you want and make progress on the weapon, so you had to make that choice. It was a weapon that required commitment, which is something the Manderville weapons just do not have.

[RitsukoSonoda]

What a take

Yes technically you can make yourself a goal of doing HoH 1000 times and then start using your relic

the question is : Why ?

The grind should be in the game, not made up by the players.

If we go down that road, why even have any content at all ? After all you can make goals for yourself right ?

For example, if I run from Uldah to Northern Thanalaan, I would get an ultimate weapon.

It's all about choice right ? So can I just race there and get an ultimate weapon ? Thank you, I will be awaiting my ultimate weapon in my letterbox.

Person sounds like an alt belonging to a certain person on this forum that likes to poke their head into threads when people complain about the lack of a proper relic quest. Who thinks they're somehow qualified to hand out in game chores lists to people to complete because we want the relic to be something more than a way to make that "X tomestones were lost because you are already at capacity" message to go away for a day or 2.

[VerdeLuck]

Person sounds like an alt belonging to a certain person on this forum that likes to poke their head into threads when people complain about the lack of a proper relic quest. Who thinks they're somehow qualified to hand out in game chores lists to people to complete because we want the relic to be something more than a way to make that "X tomestones were lost because you are already at capacity" message to go away for a day or 2.

Having an opinion that quality of life changes are good and the new features aren't all bad now makes you a "troll alt".

Lmao what a take. People on here will legitimately say anything to avoid the idea other people have different opinions than their little bubble.

[ChrysOCE]

Person sounds like an alt belonging to a certain person on this forum that likes to poke their head into threads when people complain about the lack of a proper relic quest. Who thinks they're somehow qualified to hand out in game chores lists to people to complete because we want the relic to be something more than a way to make that "X tomestones were lost because you are already at capacity" message to go away for a day or 2.

Ehhhh I 100% disagree with their take. Like, completely disagree. I don't think they are a troll. Just, fundamentally, its a completely different take and will never see eye to eye, so it's a waste of time trying to explain. And I also do think they can't get past the idea that the only reason we are unhappy is cause we want to gatekeep the relic.

[Nebelheim]

That's not even close to what I'm saying, I set my own goals in the game. I run MINE content, I use special gear combos to run content on old levels of power. The challenge is fun.
I run content blind because it's fun. I don't ask for the game to box me into something to grind, I take what exists in the game and make it my goal.

If you need the devs to lock relics behind fate grinds because you want to run 100 fates but won't do it unless it's the only way or the easiest way to earn it, that's weird. If you want to do old content but need the devs to give you an exclusive reward for doing old content, that's weird. If you need the devs to not offer alternate ways to earn relics because you have no self control and will run the shortest path through the grind every time even if you hate it that's weird.
These forums are one of the few places I've seen people complain about too many options to unlock content. You can do literally whatever you want and in that field of choices, you choose the fastest, easiest way and then get mad at Square Enix for allowing you to do that to yourself and for making it too easy.

It's like someone booting up dark souls, grabbing the most broken tools imaginable, and then being mad at the developers for not forcing them to run it with a more difficult to use build. You chose this out of a wide variety of options. It's not up to the developers to put up kiddie rails to keep you from chasing the fastest path to the end and then being mad at yourself when it's too easy. Everything at level 90 gives tomes, pick the thing you like and do that to have fun, and progress your relic.

Your literally telling people to purposely slow down on content because there apparently going too fast when there really is only 1 path to completing the relic. What other options do we have after roulettes other then spamming eureka orthos 1000 times to artificially slowdown progress. People that want a grind don't want to gatekeep relics there is really no grind at all for these relics it's perfect for people who don't want a grind. This is the laziest relics grid for lazy people who don't want to grind other then roulettes because god forbid people do more then roulettes then afk in limsa showing off there glams. I shouldnt have to artificially halt progression or find the slowest method possible to complete it and to extend it. You seem to have recently started with endwalkers and haven't done any of the relics on release to claim they were handed to you.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Having an opinion that quality of life changes are good and the new features aren't all bad now makes you a "troll alt".

Lmao what a take. People on here will legitimately say anything to avoid the idea other people have different opinions than their little bubble.

No, your overall behavior which you've so graciously displayed yet again on this response is what is making people regard you as a "troll alt". Even more so when you've been the one saying anything you think will hold your little bubble together.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Ehhhh I 100% disagree with their take. Like, completely disagree. I don't think they are a troll. Just, fundamentally, its a completely different take and will never see eye to eye, so it's a waste of time trying to explain. And I also do think they can't get past the idea that the only reason we are unhappy is cause we want to gatekeep the relic.

^I don't think they're a troll either. They are however displaying the very same mindset that the dev shown when they made the decision to change the fundamentals of what makes a relic weapon 'relic': it turns them into just another lackluster content that misses the point of what they're there for in the first place.