Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[ChrysOCE]

This is entirely a you problem from my perspective. There is no difference in feelings of accomplishment for me between this relic and the ARR or the Shadowbringers relics. The main difference is those force me to do something boring or that I don't want to do to make progress on them, but I can choose to make my own fun with these new ones. I'm not boxed into having to do fate spam over and over whiel watching a movie because I'm bored. I'm not forced to run 180 instances of normal raids that don't even use half my kit because they're from previous expansions. If I want to run content and try to make progress on it I can.

I don't see why there's such a problem with the new ones when there is the freedom to choose what you want to do to fulfil it. If you want to do it the "efficient", but boring way of spamming hunt trains over and over to get tomes quickly, no one is going to stop you, but you chose to meeet the criteria that way.
This whole "earned reward" and "sense of achievement" just seems so weird, it's just being used to try to act like something that was never particularly hard should be harder just to satisfy a sense of rarity for what is by all intents and purposes, a casual catchup weapon that doubles as glam.

It was never casual to begin with though? The steps themselves may not have been hard to do, but it still took a committed effort to complete. THIS relic is casual.

An earned rewards and sense of achievement is a pretty standard thing in any game? Do you honestly think it's normal and ok, that you can obtain your next step in a relic, within moments of the patch dropping? You unlock the quest, you buy the 3 items with your already capped Causalities. Is that really great design?

[VerdeLuck]

It was never casual to begin with though? The steps themselves may not have been hard to do, but it still took a committed effort to complete. THIS relic is casual.

An earned rewards and sense of achievement is a pretty standard thing in any game? Do you honestly think it's normal and ok, that you can obtain your next step in a relic, within moments of the patch dropping? You unlock the quest, you buy the 3 items with your already capped Causalities. Is that really great design?

The relics have always been casual, there is no way you can look at me with a straight face and say that doing fate spam is not casual. It's always been casual.
I think this might be the problem here, people who are convinced they aren't casuals are hyping up the old relics as if they were somehow elite to finish them or the relic gatekept people from completing. They didn't. It was an annoyance but it was still casual content.

[ChrysOCE]

The relics have always been casual, there is no way you can look at me with a straight face and say that doing fate spam is not casual. It's always been casual.
I think this might be the problem here, people who are convinced they aren't casuals are hyping up the old relics as if they were somehow elite to finish them or the relic gatekept people from completing. They didn't. It was an annoyance but it was still casual content.

Where did I ever say relics where hard? They took time to acquire and you couldn't obtain one within minutes of a patch releasing.

You seem to have this idea that the people that want relics to return, want to gatekeep anyone from getting a relic. I don't care how many people have a relic. Keep throwing that up as some kind of boogeyman and missing the point completely.

[VerdeLuck]

Where did I ever say relics where hard? They took time to acquire and you couldn't obtain one within minutes of a patch releasing.

You seem to have this idea that the people that want relics to return, want to gatekeep anyone from getting a relic. I don't care how many people have a relic. Keep throwing that up as some kind of boogeyman and missing the point completely.

It's not a boogeyman, it's what you keep saying over and over again.
"It means nothing now", "These used to mean something". This only gets used in MMOs as a way to try to complain something doesn't gtekeep hard enough. "[Weapon] used to mean something, now everyone has it", "Beating UWU used to mean something now everyone has Ultimate Legend".
No one is making you hoard tomes to get a relic weapon as soon as a patch drops. You are doing something because it is the shortest path available and then getting mad at the devs when you don't feel rewarded for doing the shortest path available.

Don't do it then? Seems like a you problem to be honest. Only the officials could find an issue where the game has a super open ended path to earning a relic, and then complain about it not being restrictive enough by forcing you into content.

[Nebelheim]

It's not a boogeyman, it's what you keep saying over and over again.
"It means nothing now", "These used to mean something". This only gets used in MMOs as a way to try to complain something doesn't gtekeep hard enough. "[Weapon] used to mean something, now everyone has it", "Beating UWU used to mean something now everyone has Ultimate Legend".
No one is making you hoard tomes to get a relic weapon as soon as a patch drops. You are doing something because it is the shortest path available and then getting mad at the devs when you don't feel rewarded for doing the shortest path available.

Don't do it then? Seems like a you problem to be honest. Only the officials could find an issue where the game has a super open ended path to earning a relic, and then complain about it not being restrictive enough by forcing you into content.

Could also tell the people who don't want a grind to not do it as well considering no one needed or had to have a relic in the past. The past relics had branching paths and different ways to finish certain steps.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The relics have always been casual, there is no way you can look at me with a straight face and say that doing fate spam is not casual. It's always been casual.[…]

Zodiac Zeta & Anima weapons on patch would like to have a word with you lmao.

[P0sitr0nic]

Do you honestly think it's normal and ok, that you can obtain your next step in a relic, within moments of the patch dropping? You unlock the quest, you buy the 3 items with your already capped Causalities. Is that really great design?

Actually if youve played enough to cap, then yeah. Its fair.

[Davixxa]

Actually if youve played enough to cap, then yeah. Its fair.

I've barely played at all for most of these patches, and I could still get the relics on release.