Major Spoilers for all Expansions - Some general things I didn't understand

[Zero-ELEC]

It is possible that the game has said "we are Azem" and I'm not remembering. I just know the game "hints" at it heavy-handedly. Sort like how it's doing the same for Golbez currently. This game has a lot of context clues. Though anything from someone in the modern day, like Urianger, is meant to represent the inference of the player, since they are gaining that knowledge as we are.

They definitely outright say that the WoL is a shard of Azem, many times.

The message about Azem's armor is a one off conversation in-between quests, so it's easily missed.

I have found no evidence of anything about Azem's armour at all, anywhere, including lore search/gamerescape. I looked. When I went through Elpis I also checked regularly for any new one-off conversations when originally playing through the expansion and do not recall anything of the sort. What quest was it? What section of Elpis?

And the memory Elidibus has has Ancients in it, so it has to be before the sundering.

The memory with the Warrior of Light is explicitly called out as Elidibus as post sundering. "Sundered though you may be, you fought for the world's salvation. For hope." He then reaches out and presumably possess the Warrior of Light, given his next line: "Ahhh, it swells within me. Empowers me. Now — now I may carry out my mission.". This is from the quest Faded Memories.

While I'm not providing, the "answers" some people want, I am giving example of the information we have been given. But if I'm not believed, where is the information to the contrary.

Friend, you can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you.

We know the Echo manifests in everyone differently, we know the Echo is the remnants of the Ancients creation magicks, we know recalling the past is a common Echo ability, we know ours has some specialty, and we know Azem's specialty was the summoning of allies. So it makes sense to link all those together.

The Echo is not remnants of the ancient's creation magicks. It was explicitly an ability the ancients possessed, but not creation magicks. We see this with Venat guiding us through the Echo but not involving creation at all. We don't know that our echo has some specialty at all. There's no indication of that? And Azem's power of summoning allies is explicitly a spell. One engraved into Azem's crystal.

[Eloah]

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I'm out. People can believe what they want, until they get their "hard proof" because apparently the breadcrumbs the devs give us, and that I have pointed out, mean nothing.

[Zero-ELEC]

I'm out. People can believe what they want, until they get their "hard proof" because apparently the breadcrumbs the devs give us, and that I have pointed out, mean nothing.

Look, I want to believe that what you're saying is true. You have no reason to lie and I have no reasons to believe that you're lying. I want to see the breadcrumbs that you say are there. But I need to actually see the breadcrumbs so that we can be in the same page. That's why I'm asking for particulars. Which cutscenes? Which dialogues? I'm not asking for "hard proof", either. I'm asking for the hints.

I can point you to places that explain what I mean. The cutscene right before the Warrior of Light trial where it's explained that "yours is the seat of Azem", the cutscene where Elidibus "possessed" the Warrior of Light explicitly calling them out as sundered, the cutscene in Elpis where Venat induces the Echo and explains how it works and says nothing about it being creation magicks. I point those out because I want you to be in the same page as me, I would hope you want to me to be in the same page as you.