Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
The first couple of savage fights are still mid ore.



I think the problem is the definition 9f mid core has changed as the games life has progressed.



As more casual players have joined, they see ex as insurmountable and savage as even worse.



Back in 2.0-4.x, ex content was done by a lot more people, casual savage statics and groups were a thing. Heck, I was queueing for some ex fights in df in stormblood.



I guess my issue there is that even Extreme Trials are a really big step up from casual content. You go from having to try to wipe to content that takes a pretty big effort to clear in PuGs. The first floor of a Savage Raid tier, maybe. But definitely not always the second (P10S would be a pretty awful Extreme Trial).


I would definitely agree with the other stuff you said though. I was never around pre-ShB, so I don't know how much easier they are now compared to then, but extreme trials seemed to really go off the rails during that expansion compared to prior. Usually it was just the extreme released in the X.1 patch that was arguably hardcore (Thordan, Shinryu). Nidhogg and Sephirot are rough too, but almost all the ARR EX trials are nothing compared to the ones in ShB/EW. Harder content has become harder while casual content has stayed mostly the same.


Should they add a new "Hard" tier in between?