We lost 70% of our player base half a year in

[EverQuest]

The point of steam numbers is that when mmos have there own launcher they appear to receive around 10% of the playerbase.

Steam players and launcher players aren’t drastically different groups of people though.

So let’s assume ff14 had 10x December numbers. That’s places around 300k active daily’s which I mean is overall pretty darn good by mmo standards but it’s a massive hit from the memes of 2021.

Dawn will obviously spike the numbers again.

While it’s inaccurate to say the game is dying it’s accurate to say it’s losing significant numbers of players.

Personally I’d probably play this a lot more if it had challenging 4 man content.0

[caffe_macchiato]

I'm taking a break to play BG3. After I beat that I'll be back to FF14.

What a wild concept, huh? Taking breaks.

Agreed.

So why is FFXIV still charging money for a subscription? Clearly, everyone is supposed to take a break, correct? That's the core gameplay design? After all, you want everyone else to join you or shut up. The company should not be charging money for a game that they fully intend for people not to play. They took the game off the storefront during the Endwalker launch because people couldn't play, and they should do the same thing again.

[Turtledeluxe]

Look at you, going all "BG3 is different from FFXIV, so it doesn't count."

Is this also you? :

What a huge L. Try reading the first quote again. It's not that their declines are different, it's that they mean different things. When an offline or single player title sees a huge drop in players, that's to be expected because it is a linear experience where the campaign eventually ends. When people leave MMOs in big numbers, it changes the mood of the game and even eventually causes systems to break down.

Now go log on your other alt and like your posts again.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

What a huge L. Try reading the first quote again. It's not that their declines are different, it's that they mean different things. When an offline or single player title sees a huge drop in players, that's to be expected because it is a linear experience where the campaign eventually ends. When people leave MMOs in big numbers, it changes the mood of the game and even eventually causes systems to break down.

Now go log on your other alt and like your posts again.

Except a lot of people play XIV like a single player rpg. When the expansion drops, they play the story. Unsub until x.5, come back, play the rest of the expansion, do content until the next expansion releases.





It's why there's an uptick in player numbers before the next expansion drops, not just the expansion spike.



Also, for a game like bg3, where it's got tons of choices and options on how to play, you'd think it'd have a lot more staying power.



It's not a linear story.

[MisterNublet]

Except a lot of people play XIV like a single player rpg. When the expansion drops, they play the story. Unsub until x.5, come back, play the rest of the expansion, do content until the next expansion releases.





It's why there's an uptick in player numbers before the next expansion drops, not just the expansion spike.



Also, for a game like bg3, where it's got tons of choices and options on how to play, you'd think it'd have a lot more staying power.



It's not a linear story.

So what you're saying is that they should drop the subscription fee from FFXIV?

Cause I totally agree.

[Musashidon]

So let’s assume ff14 had 10x December numbers. That’s places around 300k active daily’s which I mean is overall pretty darn good by mmo standards but it’s a massive hit from the memes of 2021.

we have been well above 300k active for a long time and still are way above that number.

So why is FFXIV still charging money for a subscription?

you paying for a game you hate is your problem. they dont force you to stay subbed it's all your choice.

[Turtledeluxe]

Except a lot of people play XIV like a single player rpg. When the expansion drops, they play the story. Unsub until x.5, come back, play the rest of the expansion, do content until the next expansion releases.





It's why there's an uptick in player numbers before the next expansion drops, not just the expansion spike.



Also, for a game like bg3, where it's got tons of choices and options on how to play, you'd think it'd have a lot more staying power.



It's not a linear story.

I didn't say linear story. I said linear experience. You could be the only person playing BG3 and it doesn't change anything about the game. Regardless of the options a playthrough of a single player game eventually ends. FFXIV theoretically doesn't until the servers go offline. If one person is playing XIV, many of the systems break down. Just because devs have added tools to make certain parts of playable alone doesn't make it a single player game because it has all sorts of other aspects-- how does a market board, FC, PVP, savage raid, etc occur without other players? I can't believe you are honestly choosing to continue digging in this hole. People don't want XIV to improve to keep people playing 24/7, people want incentive and content to perhaps keep more playing together in patch lulls. That's not unrealistic and it's not the end of the world.

The person who quoted me didn't know what they are talking about plain and simple. You cannot just take statements out of context and poof, success. It has to make sense. One statement was commenting on the implications of player loss (I never said the % drops were different aside from Starfield and I mentioned that bc it's so new and even that lost a huge number) and another was commenting on difficulty which means the same thing across any game. If we are trying to decide if Pokemon or XIV need harder content that means the same thing , the only thing that changes is the implementation.

[Aword3213]

Agreed.

So why is FFXIV still charging money for a subscription? Clearly, everyone is supposed to take a break, correct? That's the core gameplay design? After all, you want everyone else to join you or shut up. The company should not be charging money for a game that they fully intend for people not to play. They took the game off the storefront during the Endwalker launch because people couldn't play, and they should do the same thing again.

So what you're saying is that they should drop the subscription fee from FFXIV?

Cause I totally agree.

SE charging your sub fee is totally reasonable because you agreed to it.

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Remeber to click "I disagree" next time

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So what you're saying is that they should drop the subscription fee from FFXIV?

Cause I totally agree.

No one's forcing you to sub. Drop it if you don't think it's worth the cost.

[MisterNublet]

SE charging your sub fee is totally reasonable because you agreed to it.

What's funny is that you think this is some kind of gotcha.

As if there hasn't been a history of pay2play MMOs that have gone free2play in the past.

Remeber to click "I disagree" next time

And you can remember to not click post next time.

No one's forcing you to sub. Drop it if you don't think it's worth the cost.

Nah, the subscription has well worth it for the forums alone.

But I ain't gonna argue against a free2play model either. More money back in my pocket.