I'm One Of The Filthiests Of Casuals And Even I Can See How Dumbdown FF14 Has Become!

[Renathras]

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/sigh

It's not a semantics argument.

There's potential and SMN is a good foundation. Whether they use that or not is a question - I suspect they will, though I suspect it won't be a way you enjoy.

But, that doesn't mean it's a "dead end", it just means the avenues it is likely to advance along are not ones you will enjoy.

And that's okay. It's okay for there to be one or two Jobs in this game of 19 that you don't care for. I don't like over half of them. I just don't play those ones. I recognize that not every Job needs to be made for me and am not so selfish that I'd demand it. It's okay for there to be some Jobs for the rest of the playerbase who like different things from me.

It'd be nice if everyone felt that way.

[Supersnow845]

/sigh

It's not a semantics argument.

There's potential and SMN is a good foundation. Whether they use that or not is a question - I suspect they will, though I suspect it won't be a way you enjoy.

But, that doesn't mean it's a "dead end", it just means the avenues it is likely to advance along are not ones you will enjoy.

And that's okay. It's okay for there to be one or two Jobs in this game of 19 that you don't care for. I don't like over half of them. I just don't play those ones. I recognize that not every Job needs to be made for me and am not so selfish that I'd demand it. It's okay for there to be some Jobs for the rest of the playerbase who like different things from me.

It'd be nice if everyone felt that way.

Makes up an entire other post in a different forum about how you are an attacked battler and don’t understand why you are being treated the way you are

Proceeds to not even have an argument in this post beyond “you are selfish for wanting the job to be exactly what you want” when that’s exactly not my point, I DONT CARE ABOUT SMN, it’s never been my main it never will be my main, I already have DNC for “I want to turn off my brain and be a DPS”, my only point with SMN is that shiva after pheonix with the same 3 casts of gemshine plus a slightly different astral flow is not job potential and square has shown they are totally unable to give the jobs real meaningful changes (except BLM and a few other jobs by accident)

You are free to disagree with that, but argue that with actual reasons as to why you think they will innovate the job, how they could do it in a short level span and give examples of a job that already had an existing similar change, not what you are doing right now which basically amounts to “I think you are using the word potential wrong so therefore your argument is invalid”

[Renathras]

Proceeds to not even have an argument in this post beyond “you are selfish for wanting the job to be exactly what you want”

Oh look, a thing I didn't do or say. "But you said you aren't selfish and so IMPLIED!!!" no, I said I'm not selfish and don't demand it. I didn't say anything about you or anyone else. This isn't a "I'm not touching you!!" thing. I'm not selfish when it comes to Jobs - you know this. What do I say all the time; healers, tanks, dps, it doesn't matter? That there should be something for everyone, and me not liking a thing doesn't make it bad. I hold everyone else to the same standard I hold myself to, no more and no less.

This is yet another case of you reading things into my posts that aren't there, getting mad at me for something you made up, and then thinking you can attack me over it instead of addressing my arguments themselves since you've justified that in your mind by calling me names first.

I made an argument:

There's potential and SMN is a good foundation, I suspect they will use it, though I suspect it won't be something you enjoy, that there's nothing wrong with that, and you not enjoying what they do does not make it a dead end.

Each of these things are arguments.

Now, you want me to present reasons behind the arguments. I already did:

They've literally never had a Job they didn't add something to in an expansion, and I can't see 6.X SMN being the first time they don't add something. The Job is not so locked down that there's nothing to add, and their history has been 100% of the time changing something about every Job with every expansion, so the onus is on you to prove that they won't this time.

"innovate the job" isn't it, though. You're asking me to defend arguments I haven't made but that you want to argue instead. Which of my posts did I say they would "innovate the job"? As I said three posts back, you're trying to change the subject.

ALL I was saying in reply to you like 10 posts ago was you said it was a dead end with no room for growth. That is wrong.

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"If a man is determined to die tomorrow, he'll probably find a way to make it happen." -Ginun, to Captain Riker, Best of Both Worlds Part 1, Star Trek: The Next Generation

If you're determined to find SOMETHING in my posts to take as an insult, I can't stop you, and you will find something, even if you have to have it implied, interpreted, out outright imagine it. But then you're just using your own imagination to justify your belief that I'm trying to slight you, not my own words or my own intent. Perhaps the reason you treat me the way you do isn't anything at all to do with what I say OR how I say it, but rather, because you've decided to be insulted no matter what I say, and are just waiting for something you can use from SOME part of my posts in order to justify what you already want to be true.

[fulminating]

ALL I was saying in reply to you like 10 posts ago was you said it was a dead end with no room for growth. That is wrong.

This is literally a binary isn’t it? Either it has or hasn’t room for growth.

[Supersnow845]

This is literally a binary isn’t it? Either it has or hasn’t room for growth.

I said it was a dead end as in the rotation is locked down, it’s avenues of evolution are limited and most ideas presented are unlikely because they involve fundamental changes to the design of the rotation

Ren then took this as meaning that it physically cannot change at all, leading to the argument as to whether swapping Garuda out for shiva after phenoix with the same 3-4 casts of gemshine+a random astral flow does or doesn’t count as meaningful change

I say it doesn’t which is why I say SMN is at a dead end