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  1. #71
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    Cyanamists's Avatar
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    Lyreth Nikos
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I will simply give you a checklist I made:
    Whew, that definitely is a list. A majority of those things are just on there to be on there and nice time gated content just to make sure you stick it to the people who say there's nothing to do in the game!!

    Anyway back to the OP:

    "Extra content" is probably just going to be Make it Rain, more moogle tomes etc etc but I guess I can huff a bit of copium and hope it's something fun or engaging.

    Something something yoship already said something was gonna be hard and it was royally overestimated. 24mans have been a joke on patch, I'll give the team a clap for their first 2 arena designs in Aglaia but everything else has been... circles... oh wait, Halone was a square.

    Whoo nice criterion rewards increase will now give 5 tokens instead of 4!! Or whatever, I actually stopped trying to prog the fights because effort >>>> rewards.

    Oh boy, if they make final MSQ trial a trust one, I guess 14 is just a single player game. They might as well implement the mod that removes other players on your screen, no need to see or play with anyone else in my single player mmo.

    Relic... no comment.

    IS... lmao.
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  2. #72
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanamists View Post
    Whew, that definitely is a list. A majority of those things are just on there to be on there and nice time gated content just to make sure you stick it to the people who say there's nothing to do in the game!!
    Wdym time gated? The checklist I made is closely inspired by previous relic installations, I expanded in a few areas like including a tiny bit of tribal quests, custom deliveries and giving the option to complete harder content as alternative route for some steps. Theoretically you could complete a relic in a single day. It would be impractical though, I am aware of that but it's also not meant to be completed in a single day anyway. That's the point, isnt it?
    If you have suggestions to improve (what kind of activity you think should be included or excluded for example) it I would welcome you to post them. This checklist is not me trying to dunk on people, I'm being fully serious here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  3. #73
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    One way of solving the relic situation is to tie the first one you choose to the story and you get it after completion. But once you go for more you now have to do a grind. I think that's reasonable.
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  4. #74
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    I got to be honest, I don't understand their dungeon design philosophy. It's a game. A game has fail states. What's the point of playing a game if you cannot loose?

    A new player doesn't equal stupid. And even if that were the case, by level 60 you should have a rough idea of what you're supposed to be doing. Why are new dungeons also being treated as tutorials?
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  5. #75
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    IMO the issues with previous relics wasn't the quests or tasks themselves but how wonky they were with item quantity requirements as you'd have it essentially bouncing around nonsensically between any mix of small quantity, large quantity, easy/high drop rate, difficult/low drop rate. This essentially caused specific steps to end up as bottlenecks or heavy stall points. Even back in ARR we had similar issues such as some of the books in the books step originally using fates that would hardly ever spawn or an enemy type that the map only had 1-3 spawns on total.
    That timeworn step XD
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  6. #76
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    Sanna Rosewood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    The improvements needed for the Island Sanctuary are so deep-seated that they really do need to start over to get rid of them. The unlikeable mammets who are the core of all the activities, the buildings explicitly designed to house mammets and not yourself, the lack of choice about covering your allegedly personal island with mandated facilities that take up loads of space, the emphasis on running your most profitable elements not through interacting with the island but by relying on a spreadsheet.

    You can't lay the blame for "turning it into a spreadsheet simulator" on the players. The whole island channels into that spreadsheet – it's the way you convert materials into money and EXP so you can make progress, and the expectation to figure it out this excessively dense chart of supply and popularity for yourself is simply not fun.

    The thing with these "side systems" is that it's not remotely the same genre as the action-RPG game we signed up to play, but things for the RPG (glamours, story interaction with characters) are locked behind this spreadsheet sim that has been dumped on us. Of course people aren't going to put the time into learning it unless this other gameplay style also appeals to them, which seems like a fairly limited number of FFXIV players.
    Yes, it would have been nice if the mammets wouldn't be so visible. I also don't understand why they made the main one have a different personality in the English version than in the JP. As supposedly they have a nice if not cute personality. When I said the playerbase made into a spreadsheet simulator is that it is how the playerbase goes for the quickest most efficient way to do something. As you could still make money from it without using what others have figured it out. Will you make as much or enough to count for the two achievements? Maybe not. I hope the devs use it as a stepping stone and a base to use if they're going to continue with other things in this vain. Sort of how they took the 1st couple of iterations of the Diadem and turned them into something better.
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  7. #77
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    Cordelia Emery
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    That timeworn step XD
    That timeworn step killed my enthusiasm with DR. Its such a fun raid but forcing you to run it 8 flippin times for just ONE RELIC with varied PFs that can take over an hour if they dont have effecieny actions is terrible grind design.

    I will never understand how people can praise this step, I believe this was just overkill. Shouldve just been 2 or maybe even 3 runs not 8.
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  8. #78
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    That timeworn step killed my enthusiasm with DR. Its such a fun raid but forcing you to run it 8 flippin times for just ONE RELIC with varied PFs that can take over an hour if they dont have effecieny actions is terrible grind design.

    I will never understand how people can praise this step, I believe this was just overkill. Shouldve just been 2 or maybe even 3 runs not 8.
    Even worse if you don't want to do DR because you don't want to waste time farming those essences. PotD should also be a guaranteed drop though really they needed to put in a dungeon option like the raw emotions. Only 2 incredibly bad options is ridiculous. I'd take the ARR book step over this step.
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  9. 09-21-2023 04:04 AM
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  10. #79
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    Byron Blackfyre
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    I am glad that they are considering adjusting the reward track for criterion. that's a step in the right direction.
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  11. #80
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    Sapphire Heavenchild
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    Shiva
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    Paladin Lv 90
    I really hoped that they will save the Island... It has so much potential. But it seems like they will just let it die instead of making it great. Oh man, that's really sad.
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